Tecbuk hybrid brush my view

[Tuffers]

Hi Tuffers, if it’s the Hybrid brush you are using you must have a lower water flow rate, to feel the drag of the Boars Hair to that extent, (The Hybrid is about 15-17% Boars Hair)

Boars Hair will still scrub very well, even when you get the brush to glide with a higher water flow rate, have a go.

Or it could be the brush just feels completely different to anything else you have used. Many of the other wfp brush suppliers claim to have a larger range of brushes, but the reality is, across there range, there are just a few differences, and they don’t even apply to real difference in cleaning ability. Tecbuk brushes use three very different types of brush bristles, and the design hasn’t changed since 2010, it’s just been refined. Other companies have to keep re-inventing/introducing new brushes, because they never have got it right.

As for Boars Hair being a sales gimmick, if you haven’t used Boars bristle for certain kinds of work/dirt, you really have been struggling to get results and taking several times longer to get there. The cleaning ability and time savings are huge. Even if you don’t want to try Tecbuk brushes, I would advise you to get a different make from another supplier as part of your kit.

Richard, I did up the flow today a tad. I usually have it on 35 and upped it to 38. Will have a go with it on 45 tomorrow.

EDIT: I haven't noticed it to be too heavy either.

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I use one brush for everything, never change it regardless of whether it's a first clean, conny roof, regular clean etc etc. That's an Xtreme from Gardiners. I could clean anything with any brush but I have settled on the Xtreme for weight (or lack of) & speed. I view other brushes now as OTT, there's no need for a brush packed with bristles IMO. Ok, they might not last as long as some others but they're cheap enough to replace more often too. In fact, I even cut my Xtremes down, I reduce the bristle length. Even a superlite feels like a brick now!!

 

[tench0771]

Richard, I did up the flow today a tad. I usually have it on 35 and upped it to 38. Will have a go with it on 45 tomorrow.
EDIT: I haven't noticed it to be too heavy either.

i have my flow on 50 on a purefreedom flo con m8 using the hibrid

 

[Tuffers]

i have my flow on 50 on a purefreedom flo con m8 using the hibrid

Cheers @tench0771 :thumbsup:

 

[tench0771]

I use one brush for everything, never change it regardless of whether it's a first clean, conny roof, regular clean etc etc. That's an Xtreme from Gardiners. I could clean anything with any brush but I have settled on the Xtreme for weight (or lack of) & speed. I view other brushes now as OTT, there's no need for a brush packed with bristles IMO. Ok, they might not last as long as some others but they're cheap enough to replace more often too. In fact, I even cut my Xtremes down, I reduce the bristle length. Even a superlite feels like a brick now!!

i use a flocked super lite for leaded glass as its kind on them i use a tecbuk hibrid for every thing eals now ive got my black tecbuk ill c how it is ill probly end up using it for my big pole for rinsing on the glass an get that gardener stiff sill off ill no buy tomorow aftoon i may get 2 an have a spair for commy roofs not shore yet???

 

[tench0771]

Cheers @tench0771 :thumbsup:

i find cos of the denceatey of the bristels u need a high flow rate an at also helps the brush glide beta ide keep it on for a week to get used to it then swich bk an an c wat u pefer if u dont like it ill buy it off u at a tenchy cut price /emoticons/biggrin.png

 

[Duncs]

My review day 3:
It's been on a swivel neck which I love using. Went collecting on an estate I do tonight and checked the windows as I walked past the houses I'd cleaned. Spotless :thumbsup:. You can feel the boars hair grappling with the snail trails and I've found it does get them off slightly quicker than my other brushes, but not in one pass, maybe 2, 3 or 4 passes. Is it quicker? Not sure yet, may have to get used to it a bit more first. Do I like it? Well it's not been put on eBay yet and I haven't thought about trying one of my other brushes for the last 2 days. I suppose I need to put another brush on tomorrow afternoon to see the comparison.

The only nag I have ATM is when cleaning over connys, the boars hair grips the glass too much with the weight you're putting on the glass, but I suppose you wouldn't get the scrubbing power without it.

Watch this space :thumbsup:

interesting tuffers

 

[tench0771]

i wouldent mind trying a dule trim boarse hair tecbuk i bet that would b a cracking brish

 

[Tuffers]

i find cos of the denceatey of the bristels u need a high flow rate an at also helps the brush glide beta ide keep it on for a week to get used to it then swich bk an an c wat u pefer if u dont like it ill buy it off u at a tenchy cut price /emoticons/biggrin.png

 

[keir]

Tuffers, what jets are you using?

If youre on pencils, if you fit fans you might get away with a lower flow rate to get the glide you are after.

I have been using an extreme for a few days again, i'll say it again......brilliant brush

But what i find i'm missing with it compared to the tecbuk is the radius bristles for getting the egg sacks outa the corners and it doesnt fill me with confidence on scrubbing power even though i know it is doing it, it just doesnt bite.

I can feel the itch to try another tecbuk lol

 

[keir]

Oh yeah that extra bite or resistance to glide, i really like that!! Lol

Weird innit how personal preference works.

Also, i find the tecbuk slightly more awkward to rinse on the glass compared to the extreme due to the radius bristles, but i find i use the tecbuk 98% of the time now

 

[Richard]

I use one brush for everything, never change it regardless of whether it's a first clean, conny roof, regular clean etc etc. That's an Xtreme from Gardiners. I could clean anything with any brush but I have settled on the Xtreme for weight (or lack of) & speed. I view other brushes now as OTT, there's no need for a brush packed with bristles IMO. Ok, they might not last as long as some others but they're cheap enough to replace more often too. In fact, I even cut my Xtremes down, I reduce the bristle length. Even a superlite feels like a brick now!!

Winproclean, you can use the same brush to clean everything, and given enough time you will get what you are trying to clean, probably just as clean.

We will have to agree to differ, especially where speed is concerned and the effectiveness of the brush, and using the same brush for everything.

I am ok about people trying Gardiner’s brushes and Tecbuk brushes, or any other make, its there choice. I often advise window cleaners who are undecided to try brushes and make there own mind up from that point. Its there individual businesses, and I’m not about promoting Tecbuk brushes just for Tecbuk sake.

If your happy with the extreme brush, I respect your decision and good luck to you.

 

[tench0771]

sory richard have to dissagree about 1 brush for every thing the tecbuk is not a 0 degree bristel angle so there for catches the lead so i fiel a flocked 0 is the brush for lead glass having said that u can use a tecbuk but have to go slow an b cairfull i pefer to just use a super lite gardener flocked for lead but every thing eals is tecbuk just my view tho

 

[Richard]

sory richard have to dissagree about 1 brush for every thing the tecbuk is not a 0 degree bristel angle so there for catches the lead so i fiel a flocked 0 is the brush for lead glass having said that u can use a tecbuk but have to go slow an b cairfull i pefer to just use a super lite gardener flocked for lead but every thing eals is tecbuk just my view tho

I’m not agreeing with winproclean, mate, just saying you can use same brush to clean everything, if you choose to.

I can’t make one single brush to ‘clean everything’, and maintain the fastest cleaning time for every type of job, it’s not possible.

If you try cleaning a single pane of self cleaning glass with the black mould on it with a Dual Trim Polyester Monofilament Brush, you could still be cleaning that same pane 10 minutes later, do the same pane of glass with a Dual Trim Boars Brush and you could be finished under 1 minute easily, the difference between these two types of bristle is that big.

Likewise Polyester Monofilament is perfect for maintenance cleans; it can be used extremely fast for this type of work, the Hybrid Maintenance clean brush, is very popular one of the reasons for this, is because customers recognise the fantastic scrubbing ability the Boars Hair provides, that is located in the centre of the brush.

Below is an email I got today, this is from a customer in Australia

“I really think you’ve nailed it with the current hybrid. It’s still quick but with a push it scrubs better than most scourer pads. We get lots’ of pollen /sap spots here largely due to our gum trees they are a bugger & often leave a ghost mark, the boars hair in the hybrid does the trick. I’ll let you know how the full boars go either way, I’m hoping to use it on first cleans or really dirty stuff.”

Even on the other side of the world, in a different climate the difference between Tecbuk brush bristles is acknowledged. I think as a window cleaner using wfp, it would be in your own interest to be able to recognise and then know when to use the different brush bristles within your own working method. As I said to winproclean though, whatever he or others decide to use and how to use it, I respect that choice or decision.

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Well, I can say I've never spent even close to ten minutes on one window!!/emoticons/biggrin.png To be honest, a first clean only takes a fraction longer than a normal one for me. Granted, there may be rare times when another type of brush might be better to use but the miniscule time it might save makes me not bother. I haven't used a Tecbuk brush but have probably used just about every other comparable offering of brush over the years from Vikan to Salmon (or Pro-Window as they call 'em now). This here "scrubbing power" term as it seems to be commonly used now I find more psychological than to be of any actual effect. Even so, as much as one might appreciate the feel/action of a nice flocked Vikan- there is nothing else other than this in it's favour as a WFP brush, size & weight just to name two. There is a minimum time one must spend cleaning a window in 9 out of 10 cases. One swipe might do the job in an artificial set of circumstances but in real terms you would still be left with the spiders nests in the corner, ghosting effect from inadequate removal of bird poo & any other **** on the frames etc etc. Virtually all brushes I've ever used are almost as efficient as each other in terms the actual cleaning of the glass (scrubbing power) so it's all the other factors which make or break it IMO. You might have the best scrubber in the world but if it weighs a tonne, is cumbersome & doesn't deal with everyday issues like spiders webs, nests etc then it's of little real world use- unless of course you are prepared to lose even more time constantly swapping brushes. There may never be one perfect brush for all occasions so for me it's about a brush which will do for most or all occasions as well as can possibly be expected. As said, I haven't tried a Tecbuk brush, they might be brilliant, they do look ok from what I've seen & I've no reason to think they are anything other, but in my experience, I find the claims a little "optimistic". One must come back down to earth at times & look at things from a more logical point of view- & in my experience of virtually all "main contender" brushes having very similar scrubbing ability qualities, then this alone is not a major factor for me.:thumbsup: All my opinion of course!!

 

[Richard]

Well, I can say I've never spent even close to ten minutes on one window!!/emoticons/biggrin.png To be honest, a first clean only takes a fraction longer than a normal one for me. Granted, there may be rare times when another type of brush might be better to use but the miniscule time it might save makes me not bother. I haven't used a Tecbuk brush but have probably used just about every other comparable offering of brush over the years from Vikan to Salmon (or Pro-Window as they call 'em now). This here "scrubbing power" term as it seems to be commonly used now I find more psychological than to be of any actual effect. Even so, as much as one might appreciate the feel/action of a nice flocked Vikan- there is nothing else other than this in it's favour as a WFP brush, size & weight just to name two. There is a minimum time one must spend cleaning a window in 9 out of 10 cases. One swipe might do the job in an artificial set of circumstances but in real terms you would still be left with the spiders nests in the corner, ghosting effect from inadequate removal of bird poo & any other **** on the frames etc etc. Virtually all brushes I've ever used are almost as efficient as each other in terms the actual cleaning of the glass (scrubbing power) so it's all the other factors which make or break it IMO. You might have the best scrubber in the world but if it weighs a tonne, is cumbersome & doesn't deal with everyday issues like spiders webs, nests etc then it's of little real world use- unless of course you are prepared to lose even more time constantly swapping brushes. There may never be one perfect brush for all occasions so for me it's about a brush which will do for most or all occasions as well as can possibly be expected. As said, I haven't tried a Tecbuk brush, they might be brilliant, they do look ok from what I've seen & I've no reason to think they are anything other, but in my experience, I find the claims a little "optimistic". One must come back down to earth at times & look at things from a more logical point of view- & in my experience of virtually all "main contender" brushes having very similar scrubbing ability qualities, then this alone is not a major factor for me.:thumbsup: All my opinion of course!!

I agree some first cleans can be anywhere from a few minutes longer, but they can also be up to 6 times or more longer to clean, just depends how filthy they are.

Maybe you are slow cleaning maintenance cleans, if there is only a little time difference for you when you do first cleans. You will have to explain that one more.

I advertise what type of bristles my brushes have from day one, it’s an important part, and it’s the bit of the brush you use to clean with.

Some suppliers don’t even know what they are selling, so how do you know what you are buying. You talk about brushes, and have a lot to say, that’s fine, yet you fail to mention what type of bristle you have, remember this is the most important part of the brush. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have only ever used just 1 type of bristles in all the years you have been window cleaning, this is no fault of your own, and you are not the only one; I come across this time and time again with window cleaners I have spoken to on the phone. They just don’t know what they are using or have been using in the past.

 

[Tuffers]

Maybe you are slow cleaning maintenance cleans, if there is only a little time difference for you when you do first cleans. You will have to explain that one more.

:laugh:

Some suppliers don’t even know what they are selling, so how do you know what you are buying. You talk about brushes, and have a lot to say, that’s fine, yet you fail to mention what type of bristle you have, remember this is the most important part of the brush. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have only ever used just 1 type of bristles in all the years you have been window cleaning, this is no fault of your own, and you are not the only one; I come across this time and time again with window cleaners I have spoken to on the phone. They just don’t know what they are using or have been using in the past.

He uses an Extreme if you read back Richard.

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I agree some first cleans can be anywhere from a few minutes longer, but they can also be up to 6 times or more longer to clean, just depends how filthy they are.

I've never, in over ten years wfp experience known a first clean take me or anyone else I know 6 times longer. If a first clean takes someone 6 times longer then I can only assume either their method/technique is wrong or they are incredibly inexperienced!

Maybe you are slow cleaning maintenance cleans, if there is only a little time difference for you when you do first cleans. You will have to explain that one more.

Maybe you are slow on first cleans & might be better using a different brush?/emoticons/biggrin.png

I advertise what type of bristles my brushes have from day one, it’s an important part, and it’s the bit of the brush you use to clean with.

My point in my other post being, in my experience, this isn't too great a factor once you get to a certain standard of brush.

Some suppliers don’t even know what they are selling, so how do you know what you are buying. You talk about brushes, and have a lot to say, that’s fine, yet you fail to mention what type of bristle you have, remember this is the most important part of the brush. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have only ever used just 1 type of bristles in all the years you have been window cleaning, this is no fault of your own, and you are not the only one; I come across this time and time again with window cleaners I have spoken to on the phone. They just don’t know what they are using or have been using in the past.

With all due respect, what type of bristles are in my brush is not of concern at all- if a brush is good it's good & if it's bad, it's bad. I certainly wouldn't agree that this is the most important part at all- great bristles in a Vikan flocked, lovely in fact, but a terrible brush for fast, accurate, all day wfp use & nothing at all to do with it's bristle type, this qualifies my comments & disproves yours in respect. Why would a conversations with window cleaners on the phone with the subsequent result being the revelation that they haven't known what type of bristle material they have previously used have any bearing on what makes a good brush? It doesn't! You are right in the fact that I don't know what my bristles are made of but what I do know is that in all my experience, the brushes I use now are the best I've ever used & this is not down to the type of bristle material because it's not down to scrubbing power as to why it resides in the place that it does./emoticons/wink.png

 

[Richard]

He uses an Extreme if you read back Richard.

I know Tuffers; there are not enough bristles in those brushes.

 

[Richard]

I agree some first cleans can be anywhere from a few minutes longer, but they can also be up to 6 times or more longer to clean, just depends how filthy they are.I've never, in over ten years wfp experience known a first clean take me or anyone else I know 6 times longer. If a first clean takes someone 6 times longer then I can only assume either their method/technique is wrong or they are incredibly inexperienced!

Maybe you are slow cleaning maintenance cleans, if there is only a little time difference for you when you do first cleans. You will have to explain that one more.

Maybe you are slow on first cleans & might be better using a different brush?/emoticons/biggrin.png

I advertise what type of bristles my brushes have from day one, it’s an important part, and it’s the bit of the brush you use to clean with.

My point in my other post being, in my experience, this isn't too great a factor once you get to a certain standard of brush.

Some suppliers don’t even know what they are selling, so how do you know what you are buying. You talk about brushes, and have a lot to say, that’s fine, yet you fail to mention what type of bristle you have, remember this is the most important part of the brush. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have only ever used just 1 type of bristles in all the years you have been window cleaning, this is no fault of your own, and you are not the only one; I come across this time and time again with window cleaners I have spoken to on the phone. They just don’t know what they are using or have been using in the past.

With all due respect, what type of bristles are in my brush is not of concern at all- if a brush is good it's good & if it's bad, it's bad. I certainly wouldn't agree that this is the most important part at all- great bristles in a Vikan flocked, lovely in fact, but a terrible brush for fast, accurate, all day wfp use & nothing at all to do with it's bristle type, this qualifies my comments & disproves yours in respect. Why would a conversations with window cleaners on the phone with the subsequent result being the revelation that they haven't known what type of bristle material they have previously used have any bearing on what makes a good brush? It doesn't! You are right in the fact that I don't know what my bristles are made of but what I do know is that in all my experience, the brushes I use now are the best I've ever used & this is not down to the type of bristle material because it's not down to scrubbing power as to why it resides in the place that it does./emoticons/wink.png

Winproclean, like I said before, if you are happy with your extreme brush, keep using it.

 

[tench0771]

I’m not agreeing with winproclean, mate, just saying you can use same brush to clean everything, if you choose to.

I can’t make one single brush to ‘clean everything’, and maintain the fastest cleaning time for every type of job, it’s not possible.

If you try cleaning a single pane of self cleaning glass with the black mould on it with a Dual Trim Polyester Monofilament Brush, you could still be cleaning that same pane 10 minutes later, do the same pane of glass with a Dual Trim Boars Brush and you could be finished under 1 minute easily, the difference between these two types of bristle is that big.

Likewise Polyester Monofilament is perfect for maintenance cleans; it can be used extremely fast for this type of work, the Hybrid Maintenance clean brush, is very popular one of the reasons for this, is because customers recognise the fantastic scrubbing ability the Boars Hair provides, that is located in the centre of the brush.

Below is an email I got today, this is from a customer in Australia

“I really think you’ve nailed it with the current hybrid. It’s still quick but with a push it scrubs better than most scourer pads. We get lots’ of pollen /sap spots here largely due to our gum trees they are a bugger & often leave a ghost mark, the boars hair in the hybrid does the trick. I’ll let you know how the full boars go either way, I’m hoping to use it on first cleans or really dirty stuff.”

Even on the other side of the world, in a different climate the difference between Tecbuk brush bristles is acknowledged. I think as a window cleaner using wfp, it would be in your own interest to be able to recognise and then know when to use the different brush bristles within your own working method. As I said to winproclean though, whatever he or others decide to use and how to use it, I respect that choice or decision.

that enail sounds like it was frm (maurice richardson) could b rong tho but if it was him i recermended him to buy this brush as i also have the old hibrid i i gota say its ace ill b ordering a nother soon with a dule trim boarse hair ur dead rite about the scrubing power of the boarse hair u just csant beat it