Changing from 1 pole setup to 2

[P4dstar]

One its not ****, all systems years ago only had the one pump, things move on. as for splashing water all over the frames aint that how you clean yours or have you found a better way of doing it, again he asked the question if it was need i said not really, thanks for your input..... will leave it up to Ciaran mcveigh to go from here. 

I see where people are coming from, if the pressure almost doubles what is a steady stream of water all of a sudden starts splashing everywhere. I've found technique is a difficult thing to explain on a forum but there is a general consensus that the tops of frames are the biggest issue areas. Some lads swear by cleaning the lot on the first clean and then never cleaning the top again (Which caused a lot of controversy and isn't something I agree with)

Personally I knock the excess water away with the pressure off after cleaning the top of the frame. If my pressure suddenly went up and started splashing everywhere while I was cleaning or rinsing the glass it would ruin this technique.

Another thing i've heard is you would struggle to get pressure to 3rd storey and above if there are 2 operators working. I can remember at least one post where someone indicated that the pressure would be mostly diverted to the lower pole leaving the third storey operator with little to no pressure? Ever had any experience of that?

 

[Cleanteam South west]

Never had a problem with me on 4th floors an the other on ground level works just the same.  I understand about cleaning the slot vents they do drip **** out, but i personally clean them every time. 

 

[P4dstar]

Never had a problem with me on 4th floors an the other on ground level works just the same.  I understand about cleaning the slot vents they do drip **** out, but i personally clean them every time. 

I find they only drip out if you fire water in there. The first time to get them up to scratch they can be ? but on maintenance cleans its easy to just brush the excess water off them.

Surprised you've made it to 4th floor. It might well just be down to the quality of the original install. I fitted a splitter with the intention of it being opened to fill containers and or a backpack but when we tried it the water just flowed out of the connection at the back of the van (to fill the backpack) and nothing came out of the pole. Perhaps its because it was so short.

 

[Cleanteam South west]

Yeah strange maybe because i use fan jets, but even when i had pencil jets it still worked, what size is your pump ? 

 

[P4dstar]

Yeah strange maybe because i use fan jets, but even when i had pencil jets it still worked, what size is your pump ? 

Standard 100PSI Shurflo pump mate. I imagine its the set up. On the back of the van the water only has to travel down a short length of 1/2'' JG tubing where the hose is connected at the end of 100m of microbore hose.

 

[Cleanteam South west]

Yeah same pump so cant be that.

 

[Part Timer]

And how much would it cost to put another pump in, circa £120. Why faff around with 1 pump when 2 pumps are better and won't have the different flow problems 

 

[Cleanteam South west]

No it would be one pump, controller, and i my case DI vessel so around £300. 

 

[Part Timer]

No it would be one pump, controller, and i my case DI vessel so around £300. 

So after 2 days you've paid for it rather than potentially having problems for years. Not really something worth thinking about in all honesty 

 

[Cleanteam South west]

But i have never had a problem lol, only on here

 

[Part Timer]

Yeah but its something you live with, all that happens is the flow increases when one operator comes off the pole, this is why all new systems are fitted with two of each, a small price to pay as its alot cheaper to set up.

This says it is "something you live with" your words not mine, and for £300, in my opinion, is not worth the hassle. There are sometimes where the cheapest option might not be the best 

 

[Iron Giant]

It's better just telling him it's **** than saying it worked well! Saves him finding out on the job that one or the other has water spraying everywhere and before he knows it he's out of water. I've worked without a controller and I can work with a high flow quickly but you need consistency through the day and you won't get that with two operators from one pump.  

Keep things civil, we ain't in the playground or on FB 

 

[Ciaran mcveigh]

Thanks for the help csw your setup is what I'm looking for simply as I will use the 2 pole set up 2-3 days a week when I have a guy with me though I do understand the problem with pressure I will look at it down the line if I have enough work for full time for my guy

 

[Davy G]

With no hesitation, I would suggest : Non return valve, low but accessible on the main supply pipe, tee piece a fair bit above it to allow room for maintenance of either, separate lines to two independent controllers and pumps (Streamline Stream board), split charge relay and two big, beefy, Numax leisure batteries wired together in parallel as per jump leads. Batteries housed in strong professional quality boxes. One each side of the van to equalise the weight. 

 

[Skxawng]

You can work with splitters but not as efficiently.

I first tried a splitter with one hose reel going to 2 poles. Then got a 2nd reel and had a splitter going to both reels, then got a 2nd pump so they both have their own.

Each change was a big improvement over the previous. 

If you work with a splitter currently then fair enough if that's what you've got it'll have to do. But always be planning the next improvement that will add more income to your day.

 

[Mabozzer]

Keep things civil, we ain't in the playground or on FB 

Reading it again I can't see where you're coming from. I've basically said your better telling him it's garbage so he's not wasting his water and time and someone else's time with a poor setup. 

I've changed to a two man setup recently and I need to make a couple of changes but you need to have the right equipment in the first place. 

If he had two pumps/controllers and one went then yes use a splitter but don't depend on one pump for two guys. 

 

[Iron Giant]

Reading it again I can't see where you're coming from. I've basically said your better telling him it's garbage so he's not wasting his water and time and someone else's time with a poor setup. 

I've changed to a two man setup recently and I need to make a couple of changes but you need to have the right equipment in the first place. 

If he had two pumps/controllers and one went then yes use a splitter but don't depend on one pump for two guys. 

Basically, you are both fairly new on here so my point is although we are all adults, as a mod I don't want someone taking one wrong word as a trigger to have a keyboard war. ? 

 

[johnny bravo]

when I had a2nd setup I used my old van battery, charged up,    a separate controller + pump/  a 2nd reel,   , a Y piece coming from the water tank tap outlet.    if anything goes wrong its easier to find the fault and fix it.   you are still able to carry  on working.   till fault rectified