e-van - the future is here!?

[Skxawng]

Sounds good but what will the cost  implications and weight be ???

I'm not sure really, but I know there are some cutting edge busses that currently run solely on supercapacitor batteries and do 18km on a 5 min charge. With no degradation they should run for a long long time.

Once Graphene supercapacitors make it onto the market, they will have far greater energy density but still won't be able to compete with lithium batteries for energy density- hence a hybrid system to get the best of both worlds. 

 

[sambo]

As @***** has found out, how would you safely secure your water tank.

The existing floor bolts anchor points in the end!

 

[ched999uk]

The existing floor bolts anchor points in the end!

Did Nissan tell you how much each is rated at or was the only solution?

 

[Part Timer]

The existing floor bolts anchor points in the end!

So not very safe at all, think one of the big WFP tank suppliers need to find a much safer system

 

[Pjj]

So not very safe at all, think one of the big WFP tank suppliers need to find a much safer system

A few tubes of Sikka  flex will do the job ???

 

[moto]

Ionic is (or will be soon) working on one with hot wter system. Separate diesel tank needed, air intake and exhaust so few chalenges... But potentially can run diesel power generator too, to power all our chargers and other needs ? 

Dont know why roofs arent made of solar panels yet!?

 

[sambo]

So not very safe at all, think one of the big WFP tank suppliers need to find a much safer system

It is 3mm steel section bolted to them with high tensile bolts, not just some straps through a d ring!

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

So not very safe at all, think one of the big WFP tank suppliers need to find a much safer system

This is my biggest concern. They can do it when the batteries are mounted elsewhere, but most are mounting batteries below the floor as it lowers centre of mass. But this then stops being able to bolt a tank to the chassis. Hopefully one of the suppliers can figure out a solution. They’ll need to, otherwise it’s business over for them! ?

 

[Deleted member 257]

The batteries can still be removed, it’s just a more specialist job than lowering a diesel tank. Perhaps it’ll have to be done in conjunction with dealerships for warranties sake on new vans.

 

[Part Timer]

It is 3mm steel section bolted to them with high tensile bolts, not just some straps through a d ring!

I'm anything but an engineer but that, to me, isn't anywhere near as secure as something with spreader plates.

 

[sambo]

True but it's a 350l tank, not an ibc 2 ton ratchet straps to the steel section plus another one holding against the steel bulkhead, all the way round, not just hooked on. Best I can do. What force can the threaded holes take any way, I've never been able to find any info at all on that

 

[ched999uk]

True but it's a 350l tank, not an ibc 2 ton ratchet straps to the steel section plus another one holding against the steel bulkhead, all the way round, not just hooked on. Best I can do. What force can the threaded holes take any way, I've never been able to find any info at all on that

Unfortunately there is no standard that the tie downs need to adhere to on sub 3500kg vehicles! So it's what ever the manufacturers decide!!!

On standard bolts M8 (8.8 marked on top) then they can take about 600kg. The bolts and the 3mm steel frame isn't the problem. It's the tie down holes. Ideally you need spreader plates under the tie down holes. I guess that the battery stops that being possible. As you say it's difficult to find out what load say 1mm steel will take before it tears as it's not a flat surface.

I think you are probably one of the first to try and mount a tank in the back of an electric van. As others have said, hopefully someone will work this out.

 

[moto]

BCS fitted one already and are ready to take orders for more instals.

https://www.billericaycleaningandsupplies.com/contact

 

[Part Timer]

BCS fitted one already and are ready to take orders for more instals.

But are they securely bolted in, not being funny but if I'm driving 100's of miles with 800kgs+ sat behind me I want it secured as well as possible.

 

[ched999uk]

BCS fitted one already and are ready to take orders for more instals.

https://www.billericaycleaningandsupplies.com/contact

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They have fitted a triangulated bar system on the side so it doesn't look like a standard install of a FaceLift system.

 

[dazmond]

Hopefully over the next 10 years the WFP companies will be able to fit professional hot water systems to electric van's...

I'll be 60 by then and hopefully have another 15 years of window cleaning left in me so I'll be defo investing in one(all being well!)....

 

[moto]

Not sure how we will secure tanks in the future... see from 12 minutes.

 

[Pjj]

10 minutes ago, moto said:

Will be interesting to see what the payload is as well ??

 

[Part Timer]

Will be interesting to see what the payload is as well ??

The mileage drops drastically with any extra weight in them, let alone fully loaded.  

 

[moto]

Payload of 900kg is mentioned and 80 miles range. Only £42k standard trim...

 

[Pjj]

The mileage drops drastically with any extra weight in them, let alone fully loaded.  

Been  hearing that 3:5 ton vans will be 4:5 ton vans as they cannot get the  gross    vehicle weight  low enough . 

Payload of 900kg is mentioned and 80 miles range. Only £42k standard trim...

Lol no good for us then ???