New business: Delivery only Vs RO/DI System.

[ched999uk]

But these people, companies, already pay far more than low mileage drivers as the duty on fuel is around 70% so are probably, percentage wise, far worse off.

Very true but the whole 'reduce emissions' argument that successive gov have put forward is only applicable when it suits them! Like when they reduced road tax to £0 on cars which had emissions of lower than 100gms per mile. Then the realised how much revenue they where losing so changed the rules so all Internal Combustion cars pay.
If they really cared they would purely tax vehicles on emissions per mile travelled - OK so there has to be a standard test to set the rates but as long as they don't use muppets to design the tests (like diesel emissions scandal) it would work better. Not that I want to be taxed per mile but it would be of more benefit than a flat rate road tax + fuel duty.

 

[Part Timer]

Very true but the whole 'reduce emissions' argument that successive gov have put forward is only applicable when it suits them! Like when they reduced road tax to £0 on cars which had emissions of lower than 100gms per mile. Then the realised how much revenue they where losing so changed the rules so all Internal Combustion cars pay.
If they really cared they would purely tax vehicles on emissions per mile travelled - OK so there has to be a standard test to set the rates but as long as they don't use muppets to design the tests (like diesel emissions scandal) it would work better. Not that I want to be taxed per mile but it would be of more benefit than a flat rate road tax + fuel duty.

For this to work, financially, they would have to charge electric cars as well, otherwise the Treasury would lose billions of £'s in revenue and therefore put everyone's taxes up. You would also need cameras on every road to log the miles done as clocking cars would come back like never before. It is estimated that this year the fuel duty is approx £25 Billion which is around 1% of national income, or £900 per household.
They have to raise money somehow or the world stops going round. There is no way a charge on fuel on the ICE vehicles left could possibly replace the lost revenue from non paying zero emission vehicles when the numbers get to 50-50 split.
What then happens in 5 years time when all HGV vehicles, and probably 3.5 T vans, are running on Hydrogen. let's not go down the route of who is going to finance the infrastructure and how we are going to generate the electricity for all of these new "low Emission" vehicles.
Seems very strange that where I work in London, Uxbridge, there are 2 airports within 10 miles of each other yet this area has always been in ULEZ. Far more, and dangerous, gases are generated by planes than cars, as you well know.

 

[spruce]

Which will drive inflation and everyone loses

Yep. But then they raise interest rates some more to combat inflation and they win again.
Us plebs always lose. When sunak was asked what the most important part business was, his response was the shareholders. There's no hope for us when they have that mindset.

 

[Part Timer]

Yep. But then they raise interest rates some more to combat inflation and they win again.
Us plebs always lose. When sunak was asked what the most important part business was, his response was the shareholders. There's no hope for us when they have that mindset.

The biggest shareholders are pension funds so unless you haven't got a pension they are important to you as well

 

[Iron Giant]

The biggest shareholders are pension funds so unless you haven't got a pension they are important to you as well

Some of the biggest firms have huge shareholder stakes in their companies as we were on about water in this thread Southern Water is 62% owned by an Aussie investment fund and some other big fund manager companies