Van and tank

[Matty H]

I have a LWB Renault Traffic with a 600ltr Ionic System

 

[badbusdriver]

Ok gents as clearly I'm a little out of my depth here a quick question.

Payload ie 995kg is that after a tank of diesel and other fluids needed for the van and driver?

Then passengers are counted as part of the load?

Also the Renualt Master I had did have a payload of 1400kg not 2.2 my mistake very sorry.

However I have had a water system of some sort in a van of some kind I've the last 6 years and never had a problem with overloading etc.

However to be on the safe side I may just go to a weighbridge. How can I found out where to do that?

As a general rule, a manufacturers quoted payload is simply the gvw minus the unladen weight. I think most manufacturers may factor in 'fluids' such as coolant and oil, but i dont think they factor in fuel, at least, not a full tank, and they certainly dont factor in the driver and any passengers (so with 85-90kg being the average adult male weight, a two man set up means you need to knock 170-180kg off your payload right there!). But lets face it, if you are having to factor in these things, you definately need more payload!.

As for a weighbridge, look in the phone book, but if you happen to know the locoation of a quarry, there will most likely be one there. I dont think you would need to book or anything, just turn up.


Another thing (i know, i know, get a life!), as mentioned earlier, vans are pretty much always designated by a number, usually (these days) referring to the gvw, they sometimes also refer to the payload. So with renault, for example, the kangoo (which Paul was asking about) can be had as a '17' or '19', which means a GVW of either 1.7 or 1.9 tons. But a citroen berlingo would be either a '600' or '800', which means a PAYLOAD of either 600 or 800kg. So when looking at a van, you need to consider which version to buy. Matty says he has a renault trafic with a 650l system, now if it was a swb, it could be a '27' (2.7 ton gvw), which has a payload of just under 1100kg, which would be ok with a 650l system, but not by a huge amount, or it could be a '29' (2.9 ton gvw), which has a payload of just under 1250kg, which would be fine for PuroReach's 750l system. Matty says his is a lwb high roof though, and as they only come as a '29', he has plenty of payload for his 650l system.

 

[Matty H]

Ok gents as clearly I'm a little out of my depth here a quick question.

Payload ie 995kg is that after a tank of diesel and other fluids needed for the van and driver?

Then passengers are counted as part of the load?

Also the Renualt Master I had did have a payload of 1400kg not 2.2 my mistake very sorry.

However I have had a water system of some sort in a van of some kind I've the last 6 years and never had a problem with overloading etc.

However to be on the safe side I may just go to a weighbridge. How can I found out where to do that?

As a general rule, a manufacturers quoted payload is simply the gvw minus the unladen weight. I think most manufacturers may factor in 'fluids' such as coolant and oil, but i dont think they factor in fuel, at least, not a full tank, and they certainly dont factor in the driver and any passengers (so with 85-90kg being the average adult male weight, a two man set up means you need to knock 170-180kg off your payload right there!). But lets face it, if you are having to factor in these things, you definately need more payload!.

As for a weighbridge, look in the phone book, but if you happen to know the locoation of a quarry, there will most likely be one there. I dont think you would need to book or anything, just turn up.


Another thing (i know, i know, get a life!), as mentioned earlier, vans are pretty much always designated by a number, usually (these days) referring to the gvw, they sometimes also refer to the payload. So with renault, for example, the kangoo (which Paul was asking about) can be had as a '17' or '19', which means a GVW of either 1.7 or 1.9 tons. But a citroen berlingo would be either a '600' or '800', which means a PAYLOAD of either 600 or 800kg. So when looking at a van, you need to consider which version to buy. Matty says he has a renault trafic with a 650l system, now if it was a swb, it could be a '27' (2.7 ton gvw), which has a payload of just under 1100kg, which would be ok with a 650l system, but not by a huge amount, or it could be a '29' (2.9 ton gvw), which has a payload of just under 1250kg, which would be fine for PuroReach's 750l system. Matty says his is a lwb high roof though, and as they only come as a '29', he has plenty of payload for his 650l system.

You, my friend, are a legend /emoticons/tongue.png

 

[bareknuckle4]

this.

Transit Connect LWB 650 litre system fitted by waterfedpole systems (not around anymore)

Same here, max payload for a transit connect is 900kg. A 650l system should be in a van with a payload of at least 1000kg.

I transfer my water from a static and to be honest i barely ever fill it completely. All my jobs are 2 minute drive from my fill up station so after my first couple cleans the waters is even less.

My van never looks like it doing wheelies either. Even when it has been full on the odd occasion.

Anyhow 4 years later and everything is fine on all three vans.

 

[badbusdriver]

this.

Transit Connect LWB 650 litre system fitted by waterfedpole systems (not around anymore)

Same here, max payload for a transit connect is 900kg. A 650l system should be in a van with a payload of at least 1000kg.

I transfer my water from a static and to be honest i barely ever fill it completely. All my jobs are 2 minute drive from my fill up station so after my first couple cleans the waters is even less.

My van never looks like it doing wheelies either. Even when it has been full on the odd occasion.

Anyhow 4 years later and everything is fine on all three vans.

Yeah i know what you are saying, but, like PuroReach, you seem to be going by the assumption that all you need to factor in, is the weight of water, 650 litres in your case. But the same points which i made to him, also apply to you, now i aint gonna type it all down again(!), but using the same maths (after all, a 650l system should also be secured within a heavy metal frame), you get to about 870kg, including you, but excluding a 2nd man, and excluding your equipment. Assuming you have (like me) a connect lwb 230tdci, that only leaves 30kg, if its a lwb 220tddi you only have an 825kg payload to start with, the petrol lpg lwb 210 is even worse with a 632kg payload. Even if you dont have a metal frame, you would be still pushing it to the limit, depending on how much other stuff you carry.

 

[Clearview Lee]

Volkswagen caddy, think it's 825kg payload, can carry 400 litres water at a push.

I use 250 litres a day by myself, 350 max with 2, as a rule.

Hi mate. What do you recommend a caddy for 350L Tank? It’s quite clearly the best looking van on the road, but I’m not sure on size. I mean, do the poles slide in okay??

 

[ched999uk]

Hi mate. What do you recommend a caddy for 350L Tank? It’s quite clearly the best looking van on the road, but I’m not sure on size. I mean, do the poles slide in okay??

That post was about 12 years ago! Might be a different version of the Caddy?
It might be worth starting a new post with a title that says Caddy - tank size - pole length or something like that?

 

[Iron Giant]

That post was about 12 years ago! Might be a different version of the Caddy?
It might be worth starting a new post with a title that says Caddy - tank size - pole length or something like that?

And he ain't been on the forum since 2013 ?