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Solar Panel Cleaning Training Course To Be Held 11th July 2015



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Guest Solar Steve
i can see were he is comng from getting a fair price across uk for cleaning panels but.... u dont need to charge to train people or **** about

 

get everyone on board and price the same do whole uk and most of all dont charge us to join lol

So I should hire a conference room, put on food and drink, give away marketing materials and share my knowledge.....at my own expense? Would you do that?

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Basic scaremongering in an attempt to make noobs scared enough to pay for this mickey mouse course,as well as putting doubt into solar farm managers minds, all in a bid to line your pockets.

 

 

 

That'll be because they are working with exposed wires and making potentially fatal connections.

 

 

 

Next month I intend to put on a course for house cleaners that want to clean and dust televisions. Just £200. If you are cleaning TVs in a residential setting then you don't need to wear my branded t shirt, but if you want to go and clean TVs in Currys then you will have to wear my uniform and put a sticker on your van.

 

Laughable.

 

 

 

In other words its worth NOTHING. And if an operator showed it in a court of law after an accident, they will not be backed up by you in the slightest.

 

"erm, your honour...Steve made this certificate for me that says I know what I'm doing"

 

 

 

An on site safety induction like the ones on a construction site will achieve the same result and should be a requirement anyway, only problem is....you won't make money from that.

 

 

 

Wow, this is great! So,what's going to set me apart I wonder??....

 

 

 

Coool!!! :)

 

...is it accredited?

 

 

 

Booo..:thumbsdown:

 

 

 

I doubt it.:thumbsdown:

 

 

 

See above.

 

 

 

What guarentees are you offering for this. Would I get my course fee back if I don't?

 

 

This'll be interesting...

 

 

Really? ...because it seems to me like I'm getting my pants pulled down, and devaluing my own brand in the process.

 

 

 

Thats great! So who trained you? ...and are you accredited?

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

 

"Hi Mr solar farm manager, Steve printed this certificate for me on his home computor.."

 

 

 

So wait, I've paid for this 'course', and now I have to represent YOUR brand, instead of my own. ...What happened to the whole "mutually beneficial" stuff.

 

 

 

...other wise I would lose all accreditation. Wait, what?

 

 

 

When people see through this pile of :turd:, I doubt that'll bean issue.

 

 

 

240 notes for a course that starts late and finishes early, way to give value for money.

 

 

I doubt this very much. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

"I should hope so for what I'm paying".

 

 

 

OR: "You may view this asan opportunity to network with other gullible window cleaners that also lightened their wallets by falling for this drivel".

 

 

It would be a lot busier if I just put my £240 towards some proper advertising instead me thinks.;)

 

 

 

...so about that accreditation?

I have a lot to say to that, but I will be brief. So can we put your name down? Lol!

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well that course got well advertised...:D

 

actually...I dont know why steve doesnt just franchise the areas out and throw the course and certificate in to the franchise holders.

 

to balance the argument back a bit steves way...someone has to be first to offer the course and also people are free to buy or not to buy...

 

and in true dragons den....Im out..:D

 

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THE most sensible answer so far. Thank you!

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So are you going to reply to my last post or not @Solar Steve ?

 

I'm not interested how many guliable cleaners sign up to your money making scam for want a better word as you should be providing this information to them for free as you have a duty of care for their H&S whilst in your employment as a subcontrator don't you?

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and I had to come back on to put a scenario out there...

 

mr householder has some solar panels..

 

he finds out one has broken after a bit of tile blew on to it after a gale..

 

its not covered by warranty and his insurance excess would be a lot.....

 

but mr window cleaner is scrubbing away from the ground..

 

he gets his money and goes...

 

later mr householder phones up mr windowcleaner and says..you broke one of my panels..

 

nighty night folks...hold your corner steve..:D

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Steve,, as they say you have two hopes and Bob is dead! You think you are going to 'regulate' the cleaning of Solar Panels? Perhaps on commercial 'farms' but never on residential.

 

Just look at window cleaning as an example, you 'by law' have to have liability insurance to clean windows. For every Windy that does I can point to 10 that don't and you think they are going to pass up some extra solar panel cleaning cash just because some bunch of chaps who want to control the purse strings say it's now regulated?

 

You talk of the risk (driving round Birmingham is a risk) Can you point me to references material of 'serious injury' / 'fatality' cause whilst cleaning solar panels?

I didn't say I was going to regulate it. I said that certain bodies within the industry is looking to regulate it and they want me to help.

 

I agree that there will always be cowboys out there. Some may even have posted on here! Just because some people don't abide by the law, does not mean the law should not exist.

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and I had to come back on to put a scenario out there...

 

mr householder has some solar panels..

 

he finds out one has broken after a bit of tile blew on to it after a gale..

 

its not covered by warranty and his insurance excess would be a lot.....

 

but mr window cleaner is scrubbing away from the ground..

 

he gets his money and goes...

 

later mr householder phones up mr windowcleaner and says..you broke one of my panels..

 

nighty night folks...hold your corner steve..:D

 

I'm insured for Solar Panel cleaning @cheapncheerful just as I am for windows. Including the one I am working on.

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Load of ******! We all share info on this forum and the other one. All you do is cream the cream mate!

It's not personal, it business.

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Here you go Steve, with regards to another thread where you stated that nothing but pure water should be used in cleaning of Solar Panels I have directly contacted the manufacturer of my favorite cleaning solution to ask their official version.

Here it is.

 

The following is a copy and paste from my email:

 

Hi Darren,

 

 

The busy body was correct in saying not to use chemicals on panels. That means stuff like alcohol, ammonia, or phosphates. Glass Gleam-4 is great for cleaning solar panels. When mixed at ¼ ounce per gallon, the resulting solution is 98.9% water, and none of the aforementioned chemicals.

 

 

The only issue with cleaning panels that we wanted to improve on was the fact that they are often very hot, so we created Glass Gleam-Solar, which is very much like GG-4, but with more ability to stay wet in hot conditions. Some info is attached.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

-Alan

 

 

?ui=2&ik=97ca9f0ab0&view=fimg&th=14bdcd53797d4e0e&attid=0.0.1&disp=emb&attbid=ANGjdJ-E7ANOwGq8Wp1yRp5BaI7bVLCSlmTFlPJQjUsnW1g8lKuhRtTtPxJmda99KRF4hHxGe_3zJGheoKV42Ti8ISZsiI1975pm3nCPmg1BC6y7MQ1mTkpv10Jok_8&sz=w200-h74&ats=1425339169106&rm=14bdcd53797d4e0e&zw&atsh=1

 

Professional Solutions Since 1984

 

Alan Noah

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Stop being a frank cnc as this is a serious matter regarding the responsibility of contractors employing subcontractors.

 

and I had to come back on to put a scenario out there...

 

mr householder has some solar panels..

 

he finds out one has broken after a bit of tile blew on to it after a gale..

 

its not covered by warranty and his insurance excess would be a lot.....

 

but mr window cleaner is scrubbing away from the ground..

 

he gets his money and goes...

 

later mr householder phones up mr windowcleaner and says..you broke one of my panels..

 

nighty night folks...hold your corner steve..:D

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you fight your corner well steve...:D

 

tuffers you will go on the naughty step...for making me laugh this near bedtime...

 

 

cant stop laughing...What if I fail the course :confused: Do I still get my certificate?

This business is my baby. I love it like a mother and will fight for it like a father. Some things in life are worth fighting for...

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I'm getting more wound up listing to your crap @Solar Steve and that takes some doing to get me going I can tell you.

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How to come across as an arrogant *****! I will wage £50 we bid for the same contracts and you'll be the one playing x-box whilst I am busy cleaning Solar Panels.!

You know what? That's happening already! Due to this hair-brained solar panel cleaning 'rip-off', 'scam' business I have going on, I only 'work' 3 days a week now! I have only been on the tools about 6 days since Christmas. So yeah, your prediction has already come true!

 

The only difference is that while you are out cleaning solar panels, I am enjoying free time, but it's not on an Xbox. I'm more of a people's person!

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So are you going to reply to my last post or not @Solar Steve ?

I am providing a duty of care. They have an option of coming on a course or not. No one says the duty has to be free. No building company or cleaning company for whom one may subcontract lays on free IPAF or working at height courses so that you can go and clean their windows safely do they?

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and I had to come back on to put a scenario out there...

 

mr householder has some solar panels..

 

he finds out one has broken after a bit of tile blew on to it after a gale..

 

its not covered by warranty and his insurance excess would be a lot.....

 

but mr window cleaner is scrubbing away from the ground..

 

he gets his money and goes...

 

later mr householder phones up mr windowcleaner and says..you broke one of my panels..

 

nighty night folks...hold your corner steve..:D

Again, that's covered on the training course.

There's still life in me. No ones come close to landing a killer blow yet! :-)

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You know what? That's happening already! Due to this hair-brained solar panel cleaning 'rip-off', 'scam' business I have going on, I only 'work' 3 days a week now! I have only been on the tools about 6 days since Christmas. So yeah, your prediction has already come true!

 

The only difference is that while you are out cleaning solar panels, I am enjoying free time, but it's not on an Xbox. I'm more of a people's person!

 

Dude, your retort does not even relate to my statement. -- You are the one 'claiming' you are the one that will get the business and poor old Mr Window Cleaner has no chance without you!

 

All I did is call you out and say you're full of sh**e if me putting up £50 is obliviously not enough for you (and after cleaning 150'000 panels it probably isn't) just name your price! I'll play, anytime anyplace.

 

What has cost you any sliver of credibility in my opinion is that the way you talk you are the worlds leading expert and the rest of us know f**k all and couldn't find our asses with both hands.

 

I don't need to be an expert on Solar Panels to know I can out pitch some cocky little brat. You ring out just like those numpties on 'The Apprentice', they all talk a good game too but when it's time to put up I wouldn't get out of bed for the results they produce!

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Here you go Steve, with regards to another thread where you stated that nothing but pure water should be used in cleaning of Solar Panels I have directly contacted the manufacturer of my favorite cleaning solution to ask their official version.

Here it is.

 

The following is a copy and paste from my email:

 

Hi Darren,

 

 

The busy body was correct in saying not to use chemicals on panels. That means stuff like alcohol, ammonia, or phosphates. Glass Gleam-4 is great for cleaning solar panels. When mixed at ¼ ounce per gallon, the resulting solution is 98.9% water, and none of the aforementioned chemicals.

 

 

The only issue with cleaning panels that we wanted to improve on was the fact that they are often very hot, so we created Glass Gleam-Solar, which is very much like GG-4, but with more ability to stay wet in hot conditions. Some info is attached.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

-Alan

 

 

?ui=2&ik=97ca9f0ab0&view=fimg&th=14bdcd53797d4e0e&attid=0.0.1&disp=emb&attbid=ANGjdJ-E7ANOwGq8Wp1yRp5BaI7bVLCSlmTFlPJQjUsnW1g8lKuhRtTtPxJmda99KRF4hHxGe_3zJGheoKV42Ti8ISZsiI1975pm3nCPmg1BC6y7MQ1mTkpv10Jok_8&sz=w200-h74&ats=1425339169106&rm=14bdcd53797d4e0e&zw&atsh=1

 

Professional Solutions Since 1984

 

Alan Noah

All of that is fine. I don't dispute any of it. But lo, Behold! Is this a businessman who has spotted a gap in the chemical market and tried to fill it in the hope of making a financial profit??? How very dare he!!! Actually, his enterprise has my utmost respect.

 

What really matters to me though is what manufacturers say about how solar panels should be cleaned...

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What really matters to me though is what manufacturers say about how solar panels should be cleaned...

 

Well according to you they should be cleaned by a man driving a van with your stickers on it wearing your t-shirt with a certificate from you in his back pocket that isn't an actual accreditation!

 

Did I get that right?

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I'm getting more wound up listing to your **** @Solar Steve and that takes some doing to get me going I can tell you.

If you don't like this and still read everything I write......Dude, you're a fan!

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There is a big difference if one of your subcontractors gets hurt or killed onsite cleaning panels because you as a contractor have failed to give them relevant information they need to perform the task safely to avoid getting hurt. Without doing so in the eyes of the law you will be found liable.

 

I am providing a duty of care. They have an option of coming on a course or not. No one says the duty has to be free. No building company or cleaning company for whom one may subcontract lays on free IPAF or working at height courses so that you can go and clean their windows safely do they?

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Dude, your retort does not even relate to my statement. -- You are the one 'claiming' you are the one that will get the business and poor old Mr Window Cleaner has no chance without you!

 

All I did is call you out and say you're full of sh**e if me putting up £50 is obliviously not enough for you (and after cleaning 150'000 panels it probably isn't) just name your price! I'll play, anytime anyplace.

 

What has cost you any sliver of credibility in my opinion is that the way you talk you are the worlds leading expert and the rest of us know f**k all and couldn't find our asses with both hands.

 

I don't need to be an expert on Solar Panels to know I can out pitch some cocky little brat. You ring out just like those numpties on 'The Apprentice', they all talk a good game too but when it's time to put up I wouldn't get out of bed for the results they produce!

Sorry if I have wound you up.

 

I do not claim at all that Mr Window Cleaner does not have a chance, but I know that we have a BETTER chance, which we do. The numbers do not lie.

 

I am not being patronising. There are some obviously intelligent people on here, successful businessmen. But there are also some plain old idiots who want a verbal war when they've had a drink and been kicked out of the bed by the Mrs.

 

I am not the worlds leading expert, I still learn new stuff as the industry develops. But I do know more than Joe Average.

 

I love The Apprentice and you're right, many of them can't deliver. Why do they make it through the selection process? Because the producers know it will make people shout at their TV and it makes a fun programme.

 

But there are some gems on there as well who shine. They are the ones who get the deals.

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There is a big difference if one of your subcontractors gets hurt or killed onsite cleaning panels because you as a contractor have failed to give them relevant information they need to perform the task safely to avoid getting hurt. Without doing so in the eyes of the law you will be found liable.

You're right. I think training should be provided then...

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the information should be freely available to your subcontrators not them having to pay 238 squid up front. After all they are the ones will be doing the grafting not you smart arse

 

You're right. I think training should be provided then...

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Guest Solar Steve

I'm going to bed now. But before I do, I've had a thought.

 

Is anyone brave enough to stick their head out above the parapet, at their own expense, hire a conference room, provide food and drink, invite everyone over and have as the theme of the day: WHY CLEANING SOLAR PANELS IS NOT DANGEROUS.

 

You know, I'd even pay £238.80 just to hear what they had to say. Out of morbid curiosity rather than wanting to know it would do my business some good.

 

Put your hands up, then form an orderly queue! Goodnight!

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Sorry if I have wound you up.

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Apology accepted.

 

A couple of quick points, I am t-total, if my missus doesn't want to share the bed she can f**k off and sleep in the spare room, I paid for this bed and the room it's in (the house that that room is in as well come to think of it) and lastly this isn't a verbal battle, it's not even a tiff.

 

It takes a damn sight more than someone I have never met that (don't take this next part too personally) I don't give a toss about giving it a bit of banter on the world wide web to wind me up!

 

I don't disagree with your plan or ambition, why not put together a course, and yes why not get paid for your time, after all we are a free market economy. I just truly believe you need to go back to your drawing board and redesign your package and pitch.

 

Training is never a bad thing when done right, and I do believe you might know a thing or two about Solar Panels and cleaning them, but I also truly believe that you don't know a thing about pitching seminars.

I make that last statement as someone who had a two decade career getting paid to give seminars all over the world - window cleaning is my retirement hobby.

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