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Adman

Good morning all,

 

I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with the "Ian Lancaster franchise package". He posts on cleanitup, and seems like a nice guy.

 

Essentially, for £1500 you get all the legal paperwork and business planning aids to become your own franchisor:

 

http://www.jolisian.co.uk/jolisian.php

 

Doing this alone, i would expect the legal costs alone would be many times that amount.

 

Has anyone bought into this system here, or have any experience with it before I take the plunge?

 

Cheers

 

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Part Timer

Not saying yay or nay on the package but I've been self-employed for 20 years and never paid a penny to a Solicitor yet. 

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Adman

I haven't yet either, but drawing up an franchise agreement is quite a complicated document.  Not something I'd even attempt myself as the consequences of getting it wrong could be quite serious id imagine..

 

To those who have franchised their business @Green Pro Clean Ltd for instance, did you do all the legals yourself?  How much did it all cost if you don't mind me asking?

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Adman said:

I haven't yet either, but drawing up an franchise agreement is quite a complicated document.  Not something I'd even attempt myself as the consequences of getting it wrong could be quite serious id imagine..

 

To those who have franchised their business @Green Pro Clean Ltd for instance, did you do all the legals yourself?  How much did it all cost if you don't mind me asking?

Once you've got the initial legal contract drawn up then there isn't anymore legal expense. You can then just change the names without charge. 

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Damo
9 minutes ago, Pjj said:

@Damo has a franchise set up I believe as well ??? 

 

I do indeed 🙂 4 guys with 2 ready to go very soon. 

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
10 hours ago, Damo said:

 

I do indeed 🙂 4 guys with 2 ready to go very soon. 

 

Getting slow in your old age.. 😏

 

4 is enough for me. May go to 5 if in right area but no more than that   

Save that £1500 and put it towards the £5k to £6k of legal expenses you'll incur setting up your franchise contracts.  

 

He is a nice guy.  His contract is seriously dated and I personally don't think it would hold water. 

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7 hours ago, Green Pro Clean Ltd said:

 

Getting slow in your old age.. 😏

 

4 is enough for me. May go to 5 if in right area but no more than that   

Save that £1500 and put it towards the £5k to £6k of legal expenses you'll incur setting up your franchise contracts.  

 

He is a nice guy.  His contract is seriously dated and I personally don't think it would hold water. 

 

I don't follow...doesn't the £1500 buy the franchise contract?

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
10 hours ago, Damo said:

I don’t get it lol? Slow ? 

 

Obviously  🤣

 

3 hours ago, Adman said:

 

I don't follow...doesn't the £1500 buy the franchise contract?

 

It buys you 'A' contract.... a dated antiquated contract that if I had seen it first I would not have bought..... obviously they won't show it to you till you paid for it. 

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15 minutes ago, Green Pro Clean Ltd said:

 

Obviously  🤣

 

 

It buys you 'A' contract.... a dated antiquated contract that if I had seen it first I would not have bought..... obviously they won't show it to you till you paid for it. 

 

 

If I was going to pay that for it I would want to see what I was getting for my money , you wouldn’t buy a second hand car without driving it first . 😂😂

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50 minutes ago, Green Pro Clean Ltd said:

 

Obviously  🤣

 

 

It buys you 'A' contract.... a dated antiquated contract that if I had seen it first I would not have bought..... obviously they won't show it to you till you paid for it. 

 

Ok, that's pretty useful feedback 👍

 

I have a solicitor in our extended family.  Perhaps if I do his windows for the next 500 years he could prepare one for me 😆

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Iron Giant

It's a number of sheets of paper which will no doubt have to be amended, I really can't believe that someone would sell what is I would have thought a contract template for £1,500 surely it ain't worth the paper it's written on, see what I did there  🤣

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adamangler

Im interested in franchising but it seems like you have to hand over a few grand to for a contract

 

why does it cost so much and what are you actually buying ? 

 

 

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Haz

Ian Lancaster system is a good franchise system, it basically covers all your legal franchise documentation , so if a staff was to betray you he could not cos u got it all in the paperwork, u will have legal rights over him etc , u could even draw up your own documentation but for £1500 its money well spent if your wanting to become a big franchise.

 

I was looking at it a while ago i even had a chat with Ian Lancaster on the phone and his system is decent from what i heard.

 

You should ring him and have a chat with him he will answer any question.

 

I decided not to franchise, assigning my own staff to work for my company suits me more 🙂 

 

 

 

On 23/05/2019 at 07:44, Adman said:

Good morning all,

 

I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with the "Ian Lancaster franchise package". He posts on cleanitup, and seems like a nice guy.

 

Essentially, for £1500 you get all the legal paperwork and business planning aids to become your own franchisor:

 

http://www.jolisian.co.uk/jolisian.php

 

Doing this alone, i would expect the legal costs alone would be many times that amount.

 

Has anyone bought into this system here, or have any experience with it before I take the plunge?

 

Cheers

 

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

It really is quite straight forward I am sorry but but I'm struggling to see why there's any confusion. 

 

You want to franchise your company. 

 

You want someone to pay you several thousand pounds plus on going service fees for the privilege of operating under your 'brand'

 

Therefore you need a contract that lays out what they can expect from you and what you can expect from them. 

 

If you think you can squiggle this up on the back of a *** packet go right ahead and good luck to you.  

 

Now a contract that suits a McDonalds franchise might not be suitable for say a Dominos franchisee........ but hold on...... 'they're both fast food franchises so surely I can just copy that contract and change the names'I hear you say.. 

Do you see the point? 

 

Put it another way... @Part Timer does a lot of commercial works where we specialize in domestic so should both our expectations of our franchisees and their expectations of us be the same?  

 

Ian Lancaster is a nice guy, a very nice guy.  However had I realized at the time the amount of reworking and costs involved in making the contract suitable for us and modern times then I would be £1500 better off today.  

 

Setting up a franchise is expensive anyone thay has done so can vouch for that if you want to take short cuts and try to 'penny pinch' sooner or later it will be VERY expensive. 

 

People whom have set up franchise operations with any success will be very reluctant to share how they did it or any information regarding contracts or how to get franchisees etc... after all we all had to learn the hard way and struggle to work it out so why would we give away this information for nothing? 

 

More accurately (and not being harsh here) @adamangler wants to franchise his company in Wakefield, why would I help him do that when instead I could focus same energy and try to sell a franchise there instead? 

 

Much of this may sound selfish, and perhaps to a degree it is but like in all other areas of the business it is only my business I am interested in expanding as it's my business that puts food on the table. 

 

Setting up a franchise is hard, it is graft and it takes time and funds but any of you can do it after all I did but no one will give you the info for nothing. It is information that is too hard won to be given away. 

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On 26/05/2019 at 23:35, Green Pro Clean Ltd said:

It really is quite straight forward I am sorry but but I'm struggling to see why there's any confusion. 

 

You want to franchise your company. 

 

You want someone to pay you several thousand pounds plus on going service fees for the privilege of operating under your 'brand'

 

Therefore you need a contract that lays out what they can expect from you and what you can expect from them. 

 

If you think you can squiggle this up on the back of a *** packet go right ahead and good luck to you.  

 

Now a contract that suits a McDonalds franchise might not be suitable for say a Dominos franchisee........ but hold on...... 'they're both fast food franchises so surely I can just copy that contract and change the names'I hear you say.. 

Do you see the point? 

 

Put it another way... @Part Timer does a lot of commercial works where we specialize in domestic so should both our expectations of our franchisees and their expectations of us be the same?  

 

Ian Lancaster is a nice guy, a very nice guy.  However had I realized at the time the amount of reworking and costs involved in making the contract suitable for us and modern times then I would be £1500 better off today.  

 

Setting up a franchise is expensive anyone thay has done so can vouch for that if you want to take short cuts and try to 'penny pinch' sooner or later it will be VERY expensive. 

 

People whom have set up franchise operations with any success will be very reluctant to share how they did it or any information regarding contracts or how to get franchisees etc... after all we all had to learn the hard way and struggle to work it out so why would we give away this information for nothing? 

 

More accurately (and not being harsh here) @adamangler wants to franchise his company in Wakefield, why would I help him do that when instead I could focus same energy and try to sell a franchise there instead? 

 

Much of this may sound selfish, and perhaps to a degree it is but like in all other areas of the business it is only my business I am interested in expanding as it's my business that puts food on the table. 

 

Setting up a franchise is hard, it is graft and it takes time and funds but any of you can do it after all I did but no one will give you the info for nothing. It is information that is too hard won to be given away. 

 

Hi Green

 

I'm not sure of any confusion either.  I'm only asking if people who purchased the "system" off Ian Lancaster think it was worth the £1500 or not.  I'm not asking for a free ticket and have a reasonable amount of commercial experience to know what I will need to get to my end goals.  I'll continue to research the most effective ways to get there...

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Haz
3 hours ago, Adman said:

 

Hi Green

 

I'm not sure of any confusion either.  I'm only asking if people who purchased the "system" off Ian Lancaster think it was worth the £1500 or not.  I'm not asking for a free ticket and have a reasonable amount of commercial experience to know what I will need to get to my end goals.  I'll continue to research the most effective ways to get there...


U can buy my system of me if u want mate, i only charge £500.00 and u get to learn the ins and outs of the window cleaning world u will also learn how to grow your business in a lucrative residential platform which can be more profitable then commercial window cleaning 😃

Ian Lancaster has just been undercut 😄 🤣

 

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8 minutes ago, Haz said:


U can buy my system of me if u want mate, i only charge £500.00 and u get to learn the ins and outs of the window cleaning world u will also learn how to grow your business in a lucrative residential platform which can be more profitable then commercial window cleaning 😃

Ian Lancaster has just been undercut 😄 🤣

 

 

That's very generous, but unless it includes a franchising contract specific to window cleaning then it's not going to be huge value to me 😉

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Haz
27 minutes ago, Adman said:

 

That's very generous, but unless it includes a franchising contract specific to window cleaning then it's not going to be huge value to me 😉


Have u ever thought about employing instead of franchising ?

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35 minutes ago, Haz said:


Have u ever thought about employing instead of franchising ?

 

I've had people working for me in the past and it's something I want to avoid if possible.  The franchise model suits my "end game" best...

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I see, i know a franchise that a lot of there staff leave after a year or so and a few of them end up starting there own round aswell, i think its the 20% cut they are having to pay each month, at first they may not mind, but after a year or so when they get late with other bills and then they got a 20% lump to pay on there work people think sod it !

If u franchise i recommend u always charge a 3k-4k upfront for them to be part of your franchise, a lot of window cleaners do not charge them the initial fee and thats where the problem arises, the franchisee has nothing to lose if he has nothing to pay, if u get someone paying u 3k-4k minimum  they will be your long term members of staff.

I chose to employ as it suited me more, they both have there pros and cons but i think if u want to grow and look bigger then u are then u should go for a franchise because u can have part time franchisees in 1 van doing £1500 worth of work per month and thats a signed up van on the road , free advertisement , cant go wrong 😄

Franchises are also less stress then employing


 

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8 minutes ago, Haz said:

I see, i know a franchise that a lot of there staff leave after a year or so and a few of them end up starting there own round aswell, i think its the 20% cut they are having to pay each month, at first they may not mind, but after a year or so when they get late with other bills and then they got a 20% lump to pay on there work people think sod it !

If u franchise i recommend u always charge a 3k-4k upfront for them to be part of your franchise, a lot of window cleaners do not charge them the initial fee and thats where the problem arises, the franchisee has nothing to lose if he has nothing to pay, if u get someone paying u 3k-4k minimum  they will be your long term members of staff.

I chose to employ as it suited me more, they both have there pros and cons but i think if u want to grow and look bigger then u are then u should go for a franchise because u can have part time franchisees in 1 van doing £1500 worth of work per month and thats a signed up van on the road , free advertisement , cant go wrong 😄



 

 

 

So let me get this right haz, you think a franchisee will quit because they’re losing 20% a week? When they don’t have the expenses of running things like SEO, websites and advertising...

 

so if thats the case why wont your employee’s

leave you? As they’re a lot worse off than 20% a week. 

 

My first franchisee will be vat registered before me! But we have a plan in place for him. 

 

You seem to really hung up on franchising or have something against it lol. 

 

Who cars if a van is on the road and it’s only half full. It’s all extra income

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Damo said:

 

 

So let me get this right haz, you think a franchisee will quit because they’re losing 20% a week? When they don’t have the expenses of running things like SEO, websites and advertising...

 

so if thats the case why wont your employee’s

leave you? As they’re a lot worse off than 20% a week. 

 

My first franchisee will be vat registered before me! But we have a plan in place for him. 

 

You seem to really hung up on franchising or have something against it lol. 

 

Who cars if a van is on the road and it’s only half full. It’s all extra income


Im assuming that they must quit for certain reasons because a franchise operation i know is losing a lot of franchisees, its either the 20% hit but really i think the real problem is when a franchisee doesnt pay an upfront fee so he has nothing to lose which  he doesnt care losing the franchised job and moves on else where on to his own round.  whats your opinion on this? Why do franchisees leave after they have made a big commitment on joining a franchised business?

If my staff left tomorrow i could replace him with ease, if a franchise left you you would be a van down all them customers that are still paying him money on standing orders what happens to them ?

When u have staff in place like myself they are happy with the wage that gets them by, it pays there bills it puts food on there table and pays there kids, they get a few holidays per year aswell, im fu*k*ng sick this year though one has had 2 holidays already meaning i have to work extra harder and cover him 😟 

Franchising is not for me lol i looked into it a lot @Damo and i tried to push myself towards the Ian Lancaster system,  i really like the idea of the franchisees having there own vans etc i had a good chat with Ian on the phone for about 1 hour  and his system is very succesful i know this just by doing my research and speaking to him , it is a proven system , i wanted to do it so much i tried to push myself in to franchising but my head would not let me my head was telling me the plan i made for my business years ago and i had to stick to it as its working out not bad for me so far 😄 but the way am running my business now is perfect and makes more sense then franchising  , but with a franchise u have no headache and no stress so 1 day i will end up regretting not franchising when i am so stressed out ! haha

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Damo

No franchisee is going to walk away from a valuable asset. They will either want to quit and start on their own or sell up. Either way they won’t just walk away. 

 

It sounds like you’ve been talking to franchisees of Uk Window Clean. 

 

My minimum buy in is now £10,000 If they want to come on board. 

 

I’ve met around 10-15 candidates but only took on 4. You need to pick the right person for a franchise. 

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