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Split charge - What is different post 2015



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spruce
12 hours ago, Part Timer said:

I do plenty of miles as well so, touch wood, never needed to charge anything. The Ducato doesn't require adblue, one of the reasons I bought it.

I'm guessing it doesn't have regen braking either. You said it was the 2.0 liter version. I understand that they have now discontinued the 2.0l engine.

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Part Timer

It's the 2.3l Multijet, only has 130bhp so when fully loaded not the quickest but it has to be a steep hill to slow it down. As for regen braking :1f633:

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spruce
4 hours ago, Part Timer said:

It's the 2.3l Multijet, only has 130bhp so when fully loaded not the quickest but it has to be a steep hill to slow it down. As for regen braking :1f633:

Better that 2.3 Iveco engine than the 2.2 Puma Ford engine they use in the Relays, Boxers, Landrovers and Transits. Mind you, reports out of Australia say the 3.2 Ford diesel fitted to the Ranger is this country is even worse.

 

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P4dstar

@spruce I need you again man...

 

Spoke to an auto electrician today. Showed him the unit etc. He had no clue of the difference but said it looks like I can just fit a B2B charger into the current circuit with no issues.

 

I then found this on the simply split charge website;

https://www.simplysplitcharge.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=662&search=bb1260

 

The only difference I can see between my split charge and this B2B kit is the unit itself. I have emailed Simply Split Charge to confirm but wanted to consult the oracle also...

 

Remember when replying that I'm a bit thick when it comes to this stuff though 😂

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P4dstar

Just to add... I've done a bit of research and I think that kit has 110amp cable where my current set up is only 70amp cable. The fuses are 80amp where my current ones are 60amp.

 

If I get the BB1230 it runs on the same cable but 40amp fuses, seems logical to go for that one if the wiring doesn't need to be changed.

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spruce
43 minutes ago, P4dstar said:

Just to add... I've done a bit of research and I think that kit has 110amp cable where my current set up is only 70amp cable. The fuses are 80amp where my current ones are 60amp.

 

If I get the BB1230 it runs on the same cable but 40amp fuses, seems logical to go for that one if the wiring doesn't need to be changed.

 

The BB1230 is fine. I have only seen the my amp meter up at 38amps for 5 secs at the most before it dropped to below 30amps. That was after a full day on the glass with 2 of us working a school clean and no van moves.

 

Even if the battery would take a higher amperage charge the B2B charger wouldn't charge any higher than what its rated for.

 

The BB1260 can also be regulated to 30amps.

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Part Timer
1 hour ago, P4dstar said:

Just to add... I've done a bit of research and I think that kit has 110amp cable where my current set up is only 70amp cable. The fuses are 80amp where my current ones are 60amp.

 

If I get the BB1230 it runs on the same cable but 40amp fuses, seems logical to go for that one if the wiring doesn't need to be changed.

Shameless tagging an elderly gentleman in late on a Sunday. Have you no shame in spoiling his rest period 😂

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P4dstar
On 10/11/2019 at 08:11, spruce said:

Old people don't have a social life. 😂 Every time we sit in a chair we fall asleep and snore.

 

22 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

Shameless tagging an elderly gentleman in late on a Sunday. Have you no shame in spoiling his rest period 😂

Please see above 😂😂😂

 

Besides, who else can I call upon. I heard Superman wears Spruce Pyjamas 😂

38 minutes ago, spruce said:

 

The BB1230 is fine. I have only seen the my amp meter up at 38amps for 5 secs at the most before it dropped to below 30amps. That was after a full day on the glass with 2 of us working a school clean and no van moves.

 

Even if the battery would take a higher amperage charge the B2B charger wouldn't charge any higher than what its rated for.

 

The BB1260 can also be regulated to 30amps.

Can I assume the higher ampage wiring and fuse change wouldn't be necessary to get a BB1260. I would prefer to go for the higher spec one if it will work. If I'm 100% honest I don't have a clue about any of this and didn't want to leave anything except for fitting to the electrician so I don't get charged a fortune.

 

Oh, and Sterling themselves are selling refurbished units cheap;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BB1260-Battery-to-Battery-charger-12V-12V-60A-EURO-6-REGEN-6-months-warranty/223271777277?epid=4034589075&hash=item33fc08f3fd:g:dhwAAOSwSs1cB-7~

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NoName

P4dstar...just let grippa sort it for you?

They moved my system to a new van last year and advised I needed to replace the split for B2B...no issues…no headaches...and the battery is always tiptop (had a few issues with flat/dead leisure previously with the split...) don't know but suspect the new charger grippa fitted are next level...no battery issues since the transition - which is exactly what you want 😄

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P4dstar
1 minute ago, NoName said:

P4dstar...just let grippa sort it for you?

They moved my system to a new van last year and advised I needed to replace the split for B2B...no issues…no headaches...and the battery is always tiptop (had a few issues with flat/dead leisure previously with the split...) don't know but suspect the new charger grippa fitted are next level...no battery issues since the transition - which is exactly what you want 😄

I agree... However I also like the flexibility of being able to fix things myself. Although I didn't understand a split charge relay I could confidently change parts on it now its installed. Once a B2B charger is wired up I would be able to change parts if required. If I leave that to part of a van build that I won't even see I won't be able to do much with it. That's also why I have harassed Grippa about installing my current kit into a system instead of just installing their kit. This gives them a distinct advantage over the other manufacturers I am considering as none of them offer such flexibility.

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spruce
10 hours ago, P4dstar said:

 

Please see above 😂😂😂

 

Besides, who else can I call upon. I heard Superman wears Spruce Pyjamas 😂

Can I assume the higher ampage wiring and fuse change wouldn't be necessary to get a BB1260. I would prefer to go for the higher spec one if it will work. If I'm 100% honest I don't have a clue about any of this and didn't want to leave anything except for fitting to the electrician so I don't get charged a fortune.

 

Oh, and Sterling themselves are selling refurbished units cheap;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BB1260-Battery-to-Battery-charger-12V-12V-60A-EURO-6-REGEN-6-months-warranty/223271777277?epid=4034589075&hash=item33fc08f3fd:g:dhwAAOSwSs1cB-7~

 

😂

 

Your current 70 amp cable is fine. The fuse is a lower amperage than the cable and its sole purpose is to protect the cable if there is a short.

 

I looked at these Sterling units but what put me off was that they could have damaged/cracked casings. For you putting it out of the line of sight that probably wouldn't matter.

 

Is this worth a punt?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sterling-Power-12v-60amp-Battery-to-Battery-Charger-BB1260/143502664132?hash=item21696ce1c4:g:bRUAAOSw14ZeH2bi

 

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spruce
On 14/01/2020 at 20:47, scottish cleaning service said:

How long does a van battery last? I got 10yrs out of my van battery before i needed a new one.

 

A starter battery will last a long time as it doesn't do that much work. Yes it takes around 200 amps for a very brief moment to start to rotate the engine when starting, but a few cranking seconds at most before the engine starts takes a little more than a Shurflo pump would over an hour.

 

The alternator takes over supplying all the vehicle's power requirements when the engine has started.

 

It not like the 'good old days' when vehicles had generators. When a vehicle was at idle a generator wouldn't put out enough to keep up with the demand of the headlights.

 

When our starter battery is compared to our leisure battery, our leisure batteries do much more work, albeit at a more leisurely pace.

 

 

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Doddy111
On 14/01/2020 at 07:21, Omega said:

Yes. You would be better to have smart charging system installed. Battery to Battery type. In my opinion of course.

They're easy to wire up. Can do a  setup yourself from around £200 exc batteries.

 

If you get the stuff I can talk you through what to do or pass by and help with it.
Probably only take an hour.

Hardest part is routing the cables from the load area of the van safely and tidily to the main battery location.


How easy are they to wire? I’ve had this arrive in the post today and I’ve had a quote for £110 to get it fitted but he can’t get me in until next week 👎🏼 

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spruce
3 hours ago, Doddy111 said:


How easy are they to wire? I’ve had this arrive in the post today and I’ve had a quote for £110 to get it fitted but he can’t get me in until next week 👎🏼 

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What size cable is that and what size charger is that?

 

The green fuse is rated at 30 amps so if this is a BB1230 then I wouldn't use that fuse as its too close to the maximum amperage of the B2B charger. That cable also looks like 30 amp.

 

Ideally you would use minimum of 70amp battery cable and a 60amp fuse.

 

 

 

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Doddy111
3 hours ago, spruce said:

 

What size cable is that and what size charger is that?

 

The green fuse is rated at 30 amps so if this is a BB1230 then I wouldn't use that fuse as its too close to the maximum amperage of the B2B charger. That cable also looks like 30 amp.

 

Ideally you would use minimum of 70amp battery cable and a 60amp fuse.

 

 

 


yep I think I’ll leave it to a professional to fit it as all that means nothing to me 😂

 

I’ve not actually looked at any of the kit yet as I was leaving the house as the fed ex guy turned up.

 

I got this kit from a company that supplies and fits systems so I was hoping it would come with all the correct components, I’ll take your advice and swap the cable and fuse. Thanks spruce 🙂

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