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Pricing past and present



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Potta81
3 minutes ago, Martyn said:

Some really good well thought out replies, I think the jump to WFP is the big step forward in terms of earning capability, I did that eighteen years ago.

Must been even more difficult going wfp back then as I presume most were still trad, fair play. Wfp seems to be coming the norm now. I’m Should be normal by the summer lol

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dazmond
1 hour ago, Korev said:

Yes all that is true but the guy doing mothers windows in 1969 earned more in real terms than many here now.

He would have been earning £80 week that's £1280 in todays money, with very little outlay.

It did not do him much good as he did time for stealing from customers.

 

I started  in 1986 and can relate to your £1.20 prices I started on £1.50 previous guy same 75p. Soon realised I had to charge more.

Evening collecting also a thing of the past, what a pain. Friday night always late down to the pub.

 

Yes your right its a better job these days and provides a fairly good living. Happy days all round.

 

 

i bet he wasnt as materially better off than us window cleaners today...i dont believe that for a second!we ve got it easy these days!it used to be a pretty hard slog on the ladders(most were wooden too!heavy as F**** to lug around!)😂

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mike007
14 hours ago, dazmond said:

i would say most of my very compact estate work(8 days work)is quite cheap but like spruce says i have the monopoly..... my prices range from £8-£15...front onlys can be as little as £4!the thing is the minimum i make per hour on this work is £40 an hour....most  jobs are 4 weekly and i use the best,lightest equipment on the market and an electric reel and hot water.....this is my worst paying work these days but ive been doing them for many years,some have been with me from day one(1993!),im slowly bumping them up,ill be adding another quid to most of them next year........the thing is there is 4 other window cleaners on there all cleaning a couple of houses each and thats how its always been since i got established on these estates 20+years ago!

Not moving your van often and making £40 per hour, you surely cannot complain about that.

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dmw

When I bought a little round back in 1991 in the book I remember terraced houses were £1.65 all round and having gone from a driving job at £95 per week to window cleaning at £150 per week I felt like a millionaire!

I also remember after collecting on a Friday night going to the pub and changing a shedload of copper and silver.

I do miss having a few pints as an excuse though.

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dazmond
6 hours ago, mike007 said:

Not moving your van often and making £40 per hour, you surely cannot complain about that.

2 or 3 van moves a day for 8 days on my estate work,yes its ok but im glad i also have days where im only cleaning 5-10 larger jobs with a bit of driving about in between,i actually earn more on these than the estate work because their higher priced larger jobs....

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fast_muchly

Interested in this as I think pricing depends on area . 

 

A little test then HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PRICE THIS HOUSE AT HONEST QUOTES PLZ  ( no fibs ) 

 

Will let you know what I price later as it is one I do .

 

Included Front and Back of property .

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Pjj
1 minute ago, fast_muchly said:

Interested in this as I think pricing depends on area . 

 

A little test then HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PRICE THIS HOUSE AT HONEST QUOTES PLZ  ( no fibs ) 

 

Will let you know what I price later as it is one I do .

 

Included Front and Back of property .

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£15 if I had a lot in the road ,if not £20 

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fast_muchly

Hi PJJ well that just shows you different areas and different prices cant believe you have just put that , to me that's rip off pricing . Im not having a go at you honest just shocked at your quote and that just shows you how areas are different .

 

Im Trad only  been doing this about 6 years started doing it at £8, last year put it up to £10 ( monthly clean ) and I think its stealing money at £10 as its nice and easy. If I tried £15 I would deffo get sacked .

 

Come on folks this is an interesting one lets have more HONEST quotes see what people would do it for wether its £4 or £50 .

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wee man
29 minutes ago, fast_muchly said:

Interested in this as I think pricing depends on area . 

 

A little test then HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PRICE THIS HOUSE AT HONEST QUOTES PLZ  ( no fibs ) 

 

Will let you know what I price later as it is one I do .

 

Included Front and Back of property .

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£12 or £15 depending if I had many more around.  I'm in N Ireland.  

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Oli

I’d be £15 for a detached like that. I wouldn’t be able to get £20. 
I’m in South Yorkshire

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Pjj
27 minutes ago, fast_muchly said:

Hi PJJ well that just shows you different areas and different prices cant believe you have just put that , to me that's rip off pricing . Im not having a go at you honest just shocked at your quote and that just shows you how areas are different .

 

Im Trad only  been doing this about 6 years started doing it at £8, last year put it up to £10 ( monthly clean ) and I think its stealing money at £10 as its nice and easy. If I tried £15 I would deffo get sacked .

 

Come on folks this is an interesting one lets have more HONEST quotes see what people would do it for wether its £4 or £50 .

 

 

I make that 11 windows in total including the doors so evan at a £1 per window it should be £11 and that’s a very out dated way of pricing , we have a minimum  for anything of £10 if it’s one window and a door it’s £10 , we have hundreds of properties similar in design  to this but I accept the windows are bigger than your picture but that’s how I would price it and I get the vast majority I Price , Green pro has always stated he can price work up anywhere in the country practically the same money , I do feel that there are different prices for different areas , but that’s honestly what I would charge and i get over 80% of all the quotes I do .

Just out of interest what would that property cost where you are ? Down hear where I am it would be £250-275 for a 3 bed detached , for  a top of the range one with onsuite £300k 

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Potta81

I’m trad still, I usually charge 50% more for first cleans but as this is easy I’d probably charge £15 first clean then £12 maintenance cleans.

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Pjj

We are wfp and I would do 6 per hour like this without breaking into a sweat , I would expect my guys to do at least 4 per hour probably 5 , but that would be on compact work which we have a lot of.

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Part Timer

I'd want £12 but if I needed it would probably have to go in at a tenner. 

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fast_muchly
30 minutes ago, Pjj said:

 

 

I make that 11 windows in total including the doors so evan at a £1 per window it should be £11 and that’s a very out dated way of pricing , we have a minimum  for anything of £10 if it’s one window and a door it’s £10 , we have hundreds of properties similar in design  to this but I accept the windows are bigger than your picture but that’s how I would price it and I get the vast majority I Price , Green pro has always stated he can price work up anywhere in the country practically the same money , I do feel that there are different prices for different areas , but that’s honestly what I would charge and i get over 80% of all the quotes I do .

Just out of interest what would that property cost where you are ? Down hear where I am it would be £250-275 for a 3 bed detached , for  a top of the range one with onsuite £300k 

 

Hi PJJ    Property like this on estate going for less than £200k   but only just . 

 

Not a chance in Nottingham area the poorer pit side of notts Mansfield / Ollerton would you do many of these at £15 . I would love you boys to come here and try those prices on .£20 you would be laughed down the road  Keep them coming .

 

All goes to show when you giving advice to people on prices it really is dependent on how rich/poor your area is , its all a matter of judgement .

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Potta81
2 minutes ago, Pjj said:

We are wfp and I would do 6 per hour like this without breaking into a sweat , I would expect my guys to do at least 4 per hour probably 5 , but that would be on compact work which we have a lot of.

For maintenance cleans trad I’d probably do 3 of these in an hour. Not all my work is priced appropriately tho. I’d price this £12 for maintenance cleans if I picked It up tomorrow but I have some £12 houses that take me half an hour to clean working relatively quick.i think I could just go a steady pace & do 3 of these in an hour. I now ask for what I want & is realistic to achieve for the area I work in, no point being a busy idiot. Then again you’d charge more than me & get more done in an hour so I suppose I would still be a busy idiot lol

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Pjj
1 minute ago, fast_muchly said:

 

Hi PJJ    Property like this on estate going for less than £200k   but only just . 

 

Not a chance in Nottingham area the poorer pit side of notts Mansfield / Ollerton would you do many of these at £15 . I would love you boys to come here and try those prices on . Keep them coming .

 

 

It would be interesting to get @Green Pro Clean Ltd Thoughts in this he is based in Nottingham I believe ?.. I think he said that his avarage price is between £12-15 and he has several franchises , so has a lot of work , I accept what you are saying but if you don’t ask you don’t get , we have hundreds of properties like this in estates down hear and people expect to pay that kind of price , we get a lot move down from London, and the Home Counties and when I price up stuff like this they think Ime very cheap , Ime happy and so are they 😂😂 we only move the van three or four times a day maximum when doing this type of work as we have so many close together . 

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fast_muchly
25 minutes ago, Pjj said:

 

 

It would be interesting to get @Green Pro Clean Ltd Thoughts in this he is based in Nottingham I believe ?.. I think he said that his avarage price is between £12-15 and he has several franchises , so has a lot of work , I accept what you are saying but if you don’t ask you don’t get , we have hundreds of properties like this in estates down hear and people expect to pay that kind of price , we get a lot move down from London, and the Home Counties and when I price up stuff like this they think Ime very cheap , Ime happy and so are they 😂😂 we only move the van three or four times a day maximum when doing this type of work as we have so many close together . 

 

You cant do it like that as Notts has quite a few very wealthy areas like a lot of areas do . There was a guy who cleans in rainworth/blidworth area use to frequent this forum his idea would be better . Cant think of his name now might even been an admin . I try to be on around £20 an hour and I don't rush not busting my knees  and at 53 I take my time . Im not moaning or don't believe you and good for anyone who gets a ton for cleaning a house like this but I can honestly say hand on heart that not a prayer would you get £20 and I doubt you would do many at all at £15  but £12 isn't to bad .

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Windamon
On 14/11/2019 at 01:28, Martyn said:

Question for the old hands around here, has pricing moved on in the last ten years?

 

If the you of ten years ago priced a house and the you of today priced that same house would the price be the same? Or would todays price be higher? (Or lower)

 

Here we used to price on the basis of £2 for an upstairs window and £1 for a downstairs window but I find that we have actually dropped back from that, probably due to increased competition. Doesn't really affect me much because we are so well established but it is noticable.

 

Example;

 

The other day an old school friend asked me to price his house, I figured the job was worth £50 but quoted him £45, turnes out somebody has already quoted him £40.

yeah,round here in lancs a typical 3 bed semi is around £6,not forgetting after you take out yer bits and bobs you might be left with £4 ish.customer think what you charge is all yours!! and you have to hand most of it to the wife!!!

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maxbruffell

£18-20 for me

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Davy G

My price would be £14 six weekly, possibly £15 if it wasn't close to other jobs.

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mike007
10 hours ago, Davy G said:

My price would be £14 six weekly, possibly £15 if it wasn't close to other jobs.

Which would equate to about £12 if done monthly then ?

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wezza13

Down here in Kent, I would charge £15 (my minimum price) for 4-weekly or £20 for 8-weekly and expect to be there 10-15 mins.

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Davy G
55 minutes ago, mike007 said:

Which would equate to about £12 if done monthly then ?

Probably about that. 6 weekly earns more in the year for that reason. I can charge slightly more and do other jobs in the spaces created and they're also charged at slightly more than 4 weekly. 🙂

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Dave B
16 hours ago, fast_muchly said:

Interested in this as I think pricing depends on area . 

 

A little test then HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PRICE THIS HOUSE AT HONEST QUOTES PLZ  ( no fibs ) 

 

Will let you know what I price later as it is one I do .

 

Included Front and Back of property .

front house.jpg

Back House.jpg

€15 round here 

15 hours ago, Pjj said:

 

 

I make that 11 windows in total including the doors so evan at a £1 per window it should be £11 and that’s a very out dated way of pricing , we have a minimum  for anything of £10 if it’s one window and a door it’s £10 , we have hundreds of properties similar in design  to this but I accept the windows are bigger than your picture but that’s how I would price it and I get the vast majority I Price , Green pro has always stated he can price work up anywhere in the country practically the same money , I do feel that there are different prices for different areas , but that’s honestly what I would charge and i get over 80% of all the quotes I do .

Just out of interest what would that property cost where you are ? Down hear where I am it would be £250-275 for a 3 bed detached , for  a top of the range one with onsuite £300k 

I live in Hertfordshire. 

My 3 bed terrace is worth 320k at the moment.

A house like that would be more like 450k

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dazmond
On 26/11/2019 at 19:36, fast_muchly said:

 

You cant do it like that as Notts has quite a few very wealthy areas like a lot of areas do . There was a guy who cleans in rainworth/blidworth area use to frequent this forum his idea would be better . Cant think of his name now might even been an admin . I try to be on around £20 an hour and I don't rush not busting my knees  and at 53 I take my time . Im not moaning or don't believe you and good for anyone who gets a ton for cleaning a house like this but I can honestly say hand on heart that not a prayer would you get £20 and I doubt you would do many at all at £15  but £12 isn't to bad .

i dont take on any work that doesnt earn me at least £40-£50 an hour these days.....the price i would charge for the house in the pic would be £15 on an 8 weekly frequency and id fully expect to clean 4 an hour if they were virtually all next door to each other....

 

i remember when £20 an hour seemed like a good rate in my trad days(nearly 10 years ago now).....i spent 17 years on the ladders,nearly 10 years WFP........IM ONLY 5 YEARS BEHIND YOU!(48 yrs old)😁

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laddergarder

Around £15 for me. I would walk away before I would do it for £8. That would be 73p a window not counting the door. At £15 its £1.36 a window.

 

It does look easy to be fair though. So I can understand £10-12 but you would really need a few in the area to make that work, and if you still have them 10 years later, they will be way underpriced.

 

Better to go in high and your more likely to keep them sensibly priced with price rises over time. Go low and there may be no salvaging it. Once they are used to payng 70p a window, it will be a hard job convincing them the jobs worth double that.

 

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Potta81
1 minute ago, laddergarder said:

Around £15 for me. I would walk away before I would do it for £8. That would be 73p a window not counting the door. At £15 its £1.36 a window.

 

It does look easy to be fair though. So I can understand £10-12 but you would really need a few in the area to make that work, and if you still have them 10 years later, they will be way underpriced.

 

Better to go in high and your more likely to keep them sensibly priced with price rises over time. Go low and there may be no salvaging it. Once they are used to payng 70p a window, it will be a hard job convincing them the jobs worth double that.

 

This is true, I still have work from when I started on my own 14 years ago & fell into the trap of underpricing as I needed the work which is pointless as u just regret it  6 months down the line.The very worst one I have is £10 (£7.50 when I started 🙈) takes me 35min!! if I was pricing it now it’d be £15 min. Tbh I don’t know why I still do it as I have too much work & could just drop it. Force of habit I suppose lol

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dazmond
1 hour ago, laddergarder said:

Around £15 for me. I would walk away before I would do it for £8. That would be 73p a window not counting the door. At £15 its £1.36 a window.

 

It does look easy to be fair though. So I can understand £10-12 but you would really need a few in the area to make that work, and if you still have them 10 years later, they will be way underpriced.

 

Better to go in high and your more likely to keep them sensibly priced with price rises over time. Go low and there may be no salvaging it. Once they are used to payng 70p a window, it will be a hard job convincing them the jobs worth double that.

 

if you offer 8 weekly from the start most people will easily accept £15 to clean that property

IMO £8 to clean that property is far too cheap,i have jobs priced at £8 but they are small 3 bed semis on a 4 weekly basis and lots of them next door to each other(i clean 5 or 6 an hour)including all frames and doors.

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