Franchise ??

[scottish cleaning service]

How would they know that one has reached a grand a month? All seems like a racket to me because they don't provide the thing we need most, customers. Much better buying a ladder, jerkin, starter kit and away you go. That's what I did and the ladder was my best advertisement. I picked up plenty new customers when I walked from house to house. Cheap as chips and all the proceeds come to me and stay with me. Did a first clean today which I thought would be a nightmare and turned out great, because its between two customers I already clean.

 

[adamangler]

Thanks for your reply Adamangler
Its nowhere near 17k now and to include all wfp equipment ,supposedly they find customers for you and dont charge any fees on the first 1k a month.

Theres quite a few franchises out there, id look for a better deal. There are some that supply you with as much work as you need forever which makes sense the more money you earn the more they make.

 

[Cghwindowcleaning]

There are successful people out there franchising but I can never get my head round why you would unless you have zero confidence and possible need help to tie your shoes.

Take tidal for example.There was a franchise here in Stevenage the van was parked up more than it was out.The van itself was a 10 year 0ld Vauxhall combo.Most domestic window cleaning companies no mater how big the owners ego is are just not household names no one has heard of Tidal only other window cleaners.

Now even if your supplied with everything van,uniform,website and work by the time you factor in the royalties, running costs and income tax and national insurance you'd be lucky to take £450 -£500 a week on a grand a week turnover.You could probably earn the same working for someone with out laying out anything turn up work and go home with paid holiday and pension.

 

[Iron Giant]

Was it not @JohnDoeWindows

I'm getting more senile by the day, other replies confirm it is but I'll forget this all tomorrow feel free to remind at any time of who everyone is and who I am

 

[ralfhodgson]

Hi everyone, Ralf here from Tidal ?

Thanks for the comments, just to give you an overview on how it works.

We manage all customer services, sales, marketing etc on your behalf leaving you just to manage your local operations. We ask you what your objectives and then create a plan to execute. Some of our franchisees just want a low stress worklife balance, others want to make as much money as possible. It’s not for everyone but is a great opportunity for the right person.

Our fees are £12,500 +vat upfront which can be fully funded and that includes everything you need to get started besides a van. We then rent our franchisees a van and cover all servicing, maintenance, mots etc so they have peace of mind.

Our monthly fees are 30% (inc vat) of everything over a £1,000 per month we therefore want you to get you as busy as possible as quick as possible (if that’s what you want to do). All of our team are specialists in their department and we believe this gives us an edge so although we’re charging a % most don’t mind because it’s easy and we upsell and offer a great service to our customers which they don’t mind paying a slight premium for.

The guys in Darlington all started off as employees who I knew from college who then became our first franchisees.

Hope this clarifies a few things ?

 

[Pjj]

There are successful people out there franchising but I can never get my head round why you would unless you have zero confidence and possible need help to tie your shoes.

Take tidal for example.There was a franchise here in Stevenage the van was parked up more than it was out.The van itself was a 10 year 0ld Vauxhall combo.Most domestic window cleaning companies no mater how big the owners ego is are just not household names no one has heard of Tidal only other window cleaners.

Now even if your supplied with everything van,uniform,website and work by the time you factor in the royalties, running costs and income tax and national insurance you'd be lucky to take £450 -£500 a week on a grand a week turnover.You could probably earn the same working for someone with out laying out anything turn up work and go home with paid holiday and pension.

On those figures you would be better off stacking shelves in Tesco ????

 

[spruce]

As far as I know @Damo gets his Franchisees work to begin with and continues to do so.

So does KentKleen in Redcar.

The way Peter's Window Cleaners operate still confuses me though.

As a franchisee, I also understand that any additional walk up business you secure on your rounds belongs to the franchisor. So if you leave, for example, you walk away with nothing.

 

[Part Timer]

Hi everyone, Ralf here from Tidal ?

Thanks for the comments, just to give you an overview on how it works.

We manage all customer services, sales, marketing etc on your behalf leaving you just to manage your local operations. We ask you what your objectives and then create a plan to execute. Some of our franchisees just want a low stress worklife balance, others want to make as much money as possible. It’s not for everyone but is a great opportunity for the right person.

Our fees are £12,500 +vat upfront which can be fully funded and that includes everything you need to get started besides a van. We then rent our franchisees a van and cover all servicing, maintenance, mots etc so they have peace of mind.

Our monthly fees are 30% (inc vat) of everything over a £1,000 per month we therefore want you to get you as busy as possible as quick as possible (if that’s what you want to do). All of our team are specialists in their department and we believe this gives us an edge so although we’re charging a % most don’t mind because it’s easy and we upsell and offer a great service to our customers which they don’t mind paying a slight premium for.

The guys in Darlington all started off as employees who I knew from college who then became our first franchisees.

Hope this clarifies a few things ?

Without knowing interest / van hire costs exactly but on my rough figures on £4k a month turnover they'd pay you £900 commission, circa £480 for the van, £100 on diesel, if the insurance is to be paid another £80. £150ish a month to pay the loan back, you would then need £50 a month, minimum, for repair and renewals. That would leave the Franchisee less than £27k a year profit so £520 a week with no paid holidays, sick pay or pension contribution. Only one winner in this scenario

 

[JohnDoeWindows]

So does KentKleen in Redcar.

The way Peter's Window Cleaners operate still confuses me though.

As a franchisee, I also understand that any additional walk up business you secure on your rounds belongs to the franchisor. So if you leave, for example, you walk away with nothing.

That's something else I forgot to mention, most "own" your customers despite whether or not you got them yourself. Most also have a non compete clause in the contract where you can't open up in the area if you decide to leave.

The thing that REALLY put me off franchising though when I enquired was the fact that the franchisee can sack you off after the licence is up and sell your round on despite all the worj

 

[Redditch windy]

talking of franchises......anyone heard about Darren lately....

 

[scottish cleaning service]

So does KentKleen in Redcar.

The way Peter's Window Cleaners operate still confuses me though.

As a franchisee, I also understand that any additional walk up business you secure on your rounds belongs to the franchisor. So if you leave, for example, you walk away with nothing.

The more I understand about Franchisee the more insane it becomes. If you build a round then you can sell it as a going concern.

 

[adamangler]

Fair play to ralf if he can sell a franchise for 15k and take 30 percent monthly on top.

It's a terrible deal for the franchisee but I can't knock the hustle at all very well done.

 

[P4dstar]

Tidal Cleaning services are the biggest franchise network in the window cleaning sector in the UK i believe, the owner is a very smart lad and also very intelligent, when u meet him u will know this for yourself , and he clearly knows what hes doing, hes not even 30 years old yet either... and hes achieved more in a short space of time than most would in 20 years...so hes clearly doing something right, if you are unsure about buying in to the franchise then ask him if you can speak to any of his current franchisees and ask them how its been for them ETC ? That way it will give u an insight of the franchise more.

But last year you said Green Pro had built the most dynamic window cleaning franchise in the UK. Not sure you’re a trusted source ?

 

[JohnDoeWindows]

I often see Tidal advertising their franchise package as being "fully funded" by the government too. Seems unethical if you ask me, window cleaning is an entry level job that once established can pay quite well (when you operate your own business), therefore your target audience is likely people that are currently on minimum wage etc and want a better life financially - which as @Part Timer has pointed out, thats unlikely to be the case. Encouraging people to burden themselves with debt to line your own pockets seems pretty dodgy to me but that's just my opinion.

 

[Damo]

Hi Brian,

If you want to have a chat with me, I’m more than happy to answer your questions about a franchise.

I work my self cleaning glass and then I have a team of 8.

I now offer franchising and employment and so far have two employees and the rest are franchisees.

I think it’s hard to get your head round a franchise, especially when it comes to window cleaning.

I have a range of percentage options ranging from 10% to 30% royalty fees.

The aim with my guys and always has been was to build rounds that make more money than the average window cleaner.

I have two guys that are looking to work 4 days and stay under the VAT threshold, which then might become 3 days, with recent price increases.

I sell packages from a £1 and the highest so far was £16,000. It all depends on what the franchisee can offer in the ways of capital I guess.

Not interested in going national at all and we operate mainly in Bedfordshire.

We are pushing a bit towards Hertfordshire now as the A1 provides good access to areas.

There are pro’s and con’s for a franchise.

I think the equipment we offer and the fact we supply all the work until you’re satisfied is a good selling point.

Things like electric reels, Grippatank systems, extreme poles all come as standard.

HTH