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Out of interest  what did they quote ? And what was that for ?? 
It was the 9.1kw diesel heater, battery, 100m hose, battery case and installation. 

Quote was £4621. VAT included. 

I know there are cheaper options but to be honest, I like dealing with GrippaTank but as I've only been set up for 11 months, it's too soon for me to fork out even more money for something that I consider a "luxury" item. 

 
It was the 9.1kw diesel heater, battery, 100m hose, battery case and installation. 

Quote was £4621. VAT included. 

I know there are cheaper options but to be honest, I like dealing with GrippaTank but as I've only been set up for 11 months, it's too soon for me to fork out even more money for something that I consider a "luxury" item. 
Yes I know what it was like when I started out you have to build slowly , but Ime sure in time as you get more work and get well established things will change , it’s good to plan ahead .

 
Yes I know what it was like when I started out you have to build slowly , but Ime sure in time as you get more work and get well established things will change , it’s good to plan ahead .
Yes, I explained to Oliver that I need to build up my round but I'll definitely be interested in a few years. Might be a good 50th birthday treat for myself! 

 
What if I stuck the immersion heater in a separate 25l drum, plump that into the main tank (there are available ports). Would the hot water not naturally circulate? ? 
The streamline system has the smallest footprint of any of the current webasto style heaters. You can of course buy the components and install them where you can - that’s what I did for my first install. 
I looked in to (and installed) an external immersion heater in my first van (a Willis jacket they are called). If you didn’t want to drill in to your tank you could fit one of these (research them first though and get advice about installing). It needs a constant water flow through it though otherwise - I found - the elements kept burning out. May be something to look in to?

 
I looked in to (and installed) an external immersion heater in my first van (a Willis jacket they are called). If you didn’t want to drill in to your tank you could fit one of these (research them first though and get advice about installing). It needs a constant water flow through it though otherwise - I found - the elements kept burning out. May be something to look in to?
I like that idea. I think that would be quite easy to link in to the tank outlet via pump, flow sensor through Willis jacket with 2kw element then back to tank top. No drilling tank, just need an additional pump and pressure/flow switch to ensure flow maybe add in an extra thermostat in case flow stops. Why has no one mentioned this before??????

I can't see a down side? Am I missing something?

 
Yes I know what it was like when I started out you have to build slowly , but Ime sure in time as you get more work and get well established things will change , it’s good to plan ahead .
I was the same and saved up till I had the money and just went for it. Bought the £10k RO, twin electric reels hot water system which comes with a speedliner thrown in. A lot of folk on here were saying I didn't need all that because I had 50 customers and they were right. The only thing about this game is we are all heading in the same direction. In the fullness of time we want to make the job easier and hot water, electric reels and a light pole makes all the difference. I make about £900 a month from windows but my system cost £600 a year to service which I could do myself bar the Webasto heater. I much prefer getting Oliver to service it each year and if anything goes wrong then he is only an email away.

 
After bumping into @scottish cleaning service today, me and the lad that works with me where discussing if we could fit a diesel heater in the back of the van (only place for it) and still be able to carry a backpack on a trolley. Who does the smallest footprint heater, anyone know?
The hot water is good for cleaning conny roofs which is another job you flung my way. Got a nice present for you next time we meet ? a battery light which is good for late afternoons up here when the weather is dreich.

 
It was the 9.1kw diesel heater, battery, 100m hose, battery case and installation. 

Quote was £4621. VAT included. 

I know there are cheaper options but to be honest, I like dealing with GrippaTank but as I've only been set up for 11 months, it's too soon for me to fork out even more money for something that I consider a "luxury" item. 
I treated myself to a retro fit grippatank hot water system 3 years ago for sticking at window cleaning for 25 years!??

 
What if I stuck the immersion heater in a separate 25l drum, plump that into the main tank (there are available ports). Would the hot water not naturally circulate? ? 
They would be some limited convection within the 25 litre drum as the warmed water moves to the top of the drum and the colder water sinks but this would not circulate through into the main tank in a sufficient degree to warm the tank.

 
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The thermostat would be tripping in and out more frequently as well I'd have thought with that small volume of contained water. Small volume gaining and losing temperature more quickly and all that.

 
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Fitting an immersion seems much more daunting than it is, i've fitter them several times to a few different tanks successfully. as long as you can get the back nut in and held its easy. 

 
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If you want a 2kw, i use this one

https://www.midlandchandlers.co.uk/products/immersion-heater-2kw-240v-hc-042

fitted to my tank with one of these,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Immersion-Heater-Element-Mechanical-Flange-2-1-4-BSP/111634635156?hash=item19fdf15994:g:IoQAAOSwTZ1XmMVz

use a holesaw to cut a slightly undersized hole and file it so the flange is a tight fit. i use a small bead of silicone, but not sure its necessary.

in a smaller tank such as a 350l it will easily warm the water to 65 degrees over night for less than £5 in electricity. and in a larger one such as 650l it will raise the temperature by 30/40 degrees. 

 
I’ve got a 500 upright. I can reach about 3/4 of the way down with the tank upright in the van. Is that far enough down to install It and get the whole 500 litres warm? 
 

If I Left it on for 9hrs over night, what temperature should I expect approximately?

 
I’ve got a 500 upright. I can reach about 3/4 of the way down with the tank upright in the van. Is that far enough down to install It and get the whole 500 litres warm? 
 

If I Left it on for 9hrs over night, what temperature should I expect approximately?
I have a 650ltr Wyedale flat tank. I switch my 2kw immersion on in the late afternoon/early evening. I get 60~65c. The immersion is only about 4 inches above the bottom, near the corner. I don't think you'll get quite that temperature with being higher up as the thermostat will trip  In and out depending on the temperature at its own level. The tank will heat from the top down till the thermostat takes charge of the situation. Doesn't cost much more to put it on early as once up to temperature it will kick in and out very infrequently. This is of course provided there is a very good job done on the insulation.

 
I’ve got a 500 upright. I can reach about 3/4 of the way down with the tank upright in the van. Is that far enough down to install It and get the whole 500 litres warm? 
 

If I Left it on for 9hrs over night, what temperature should I expect approximately?
I have not used an immersion but if it’s 3/4 down the tank it should be fine just make sure the element isn’t touching anything , preferably use a 2kw as the 3 kw will need specialist wiring and can over heat the electrics , I have no idear what temperature you should get but if you can insulate the tank this will help keep the heat in  

 
I’ve got a 500 upright. I can reach about 3/4 of the way down with the tank upright in the van. Is that far enough down to install It and get the whole 500 litres warm? 
 

If I Left it on for 9hrs over night, what temperature should I expect approximately?
3/4 will be fine, the convection will heat all of the water. 9hrs with a 2kw will raise the temp by about 30-35 degrees

 
I like that idea. I think that would be quite easy to link in to the tank outlet via pump, flow sensor through Willis jacket with 2kw element then back to tank top. No drilling tank, just need an additional pump and pressure/flow switch to ensure flow maybe add in an extra thermostat in case flow stops. Why has no one mentioned this before??????

I can't see a down side? Am I missing something?
Immersion elements generally have a built in thermostat, as long as a fuse is in line and the weakest point of the circuit it poses no more of a risk than a standard immersion. I have a 3kW immersion in my tank, it’s a flat 650 litre tank that is only 30cm deep with multiple baffles throughout. I’ve had to put a pumped loop circuit in that takes  water from the top of the tank above the immersion to the opposite corner on the far side. This distributes the temperature really well and creates a natural convection current. I’ve set my heater to 45-50 degrees as that works well for me. I started at 65-70 degrees but didn’t see any benefit with the higher temperature - plus I can still just about get away with using any brush I like as the hot water brush selection is pretty cr4ppy.  I didn’t follow up in the Willis jacket approach as my tanks have an immersion boss welded in - if they didn’t it would be the way to go for ease of installation. The only drawback would be a pump would have to circulate water constantly and you’d have to be 100% sure the element is completely submerged in water (that’s why mine didn’t work as I kept forgetting to check I didn’t have an airlock and the element blew). I’d probably look at getting an oversized Willis Jacket if I was to test it again - so a 16” jacket with a 14” or 12” element, I felt the sleeve didn’t seem to have much circulation room inside but maybe that’s the point ?

 
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