How much water does it take to make pure?

[Scottie]

Hello Guys,

WFP or TRAD - how much more is it to clean windows, is WFP that much more expensive? I am just looking into it all and I like WFP idea but it seems to me its going to cost some serious money and ongoing.

Resin, filters, water bills, wow they will go sky high, equipment lists. With trad none of this and how many more windows do WFP cleaners do? I actually spoke to someone about 2 hours ago and he said he does 14 houses a day, he took some years to build up, he wants more custys but finding is slow and takes time, so a trad guy can do that many a day, well not me I am new and not good enough yet. But alot of guys on here can. So is the WFP of benefit then, only until you can get x amount more customers, as the trad guy spent fok all to clean, where as WFP guy, spent money making pure, resin, water bills etc.

Just stuck as I like the WFP route as safer yes, but I dont have an issue doing trad, only issue is the awkward windows, thats the bummer as sloping garages, how do you do them, I dont want to walk on them cause damage to myself of the property and insurance would not pay out.

So yeah, just a good look in to them both I have been doing and its pointing me to trad.

I wanted to ask how much water do you use to make say 75l of pure? I no ther eis some waste. I dont want my water bill to shoot up as I see they is like 70/30 split on decent RO units, lots of waste.

My conclusions are at present for a newbie, it has to be trad, or can I use WFP? I just need some advce form you guys as to how much costs will be and water useage. I would only use WFP tops and trad bottom.

I feel I will end up going trad as I will save money and I do not have mnay customers yet, plus nice views form the ladders lol.

Thank you for your help in advance.

 

[abs]

I'm on a water meter and was really worried about my bill .

Today I received my first bill and I've been using wfp about a year now , I use to pay £20 a month direct dedit and now that has risen to £29.50 a month , so don't panic too much as water is still pretty cheap

On average I can easily do 140- 150 quids worth a day and yes wfp costs more but you earn more and it's a dam sight easier than trad

 

[Scottie]

Wow that is cheap. cheers.

 

[abs]

I do 3 days a week Scottie and use about 300 ltrs a day so obviously that would rise if I worked a full week but obviously you'd be earning more.

Also my ro is seriously wasteful as it's a cheap 100gpd the best quality ro you can afford the less waste and cheaper water bills

I started trad and built my work up over a year then payed only £450 for a wfp starter kit off ebay , this included everything pole trolley ro , start trad and let your business eventually buy the gear

 

[Leeds]

I do 3 days a week Scottie and use about 300 ltrs a day so obviously that would rise if I worked a full week but obviously you'd be earning more.Also my ro is seriously wasteful as it's a cheap 100gpd the best quality ro you can afford the less waste and cheaper water bills

I started trad and built my work up over a year then payed only £450 for a wfp starter kit off ebay , this included everything pole trolley ro , start trad and let your business eventually buy the gear

the beauty of window cleaning. need virtually no money to get started, then go as big as you want

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I would forget trad & concentrate your efforts on WFP from the start.

 

[abs]

I would forget trad & concentrate your efforts on WFP from the start.

I'd of done that from the start but didn't want to spend my savings and the whole idea of the business starting small and developing and paying for its own expansions really appealed to me

 

[Tuffers]

What is your TDS @Scottie? I'm guessing it's high as you're in the south. My water is very soft, so I run the water through twin DI's only.

WFP is the way to go if you want to earn more in less time, but you have to have the customers in the first place plus you have the extras you can do on top like F/S/G cleans, conny roofs etc.

 

[Scottie]

What is your TDS @Scottie? I'm guessing it's high as you're in the south. My water is very soft, so I run the water through twin DI's only.
WFP is the way to go if you want to earn more in less time, but you have to have the customers in the first place plus you have the extras you can do on top like F/S/G cleans, conny roofs etc.

Hi, Yes the TDS is high, hard water, waiting on my tds meter to come its late arriving. The only thing is putting me off going WFP is the water usage, I would clean jst the ups, I dont have many customers either yet so no work really. So is it viable for me? I just worry about the water usage, how much waste there will be to making say 75 liters, and I am going forever making pure in the garden, as need it eash day. I will do ups only so i trying to work out if i done 10 houses day I prob would look at using 200 liters a day and then 100 liters to make the 200 pure. Just seems so much work involved with pure and the costs, ok you make money by doing more houses but then the costs scrub some of them houses out, so is it that much? for all the effort. Trad full day brings in enough ££ I would imagine.

Its so frustrating, not knowing what way to go, I was set on trad its just talking to people and people telling me no go WFP, so its got me thinking am i wrong doing trad? Why is everyone say do WFP? Trad is the easiest way and cost effective to me as no after work making and maintaing pure. Thank you all for your advice/ideas?

 

[Tuffers]

To me it's a no brainer what I'd do in your shoes. Start off trad. It won't cost much to start up and if you've not got many customers, then time isn't really an issue is it.

I don't get this WFP tops and trad bottoms. Do one or the other IMO.

 

[Duncs]

you will soon pick up lots of work mate remember ,so dont buy twice if your going WFP.

my own thought if WFP no point doing trad bottoms your already there with your pole minutes and the bottoms are done

WFP is the easier safer quicker option, started trad then went WFP but still do trad also.

When you have mastered both trad & WFP you have more strings to your bow

gd luck matey

 

[Scottie]

To me it's a no brainer what I'd do in your shoes. Start off trad. It won't cost much to start up and if you've not got many customers, then time isn't really an issue is it.
I don't get this WFP tops and trad bottoms. Do one or the other IMO.

Yeah, i thinks thats right too and I will prob ditch the WFP idea and then action this when the round can expand due to WFP. However I dont think people down my like WFP all moanign about it on FB. Wow it leaves water in winter and is slippy, but your frames and sills are cleaned fully. Can never please everyone can you. Do you find people moan about WFP? I feel it migh be tricky as I do see alot of people not likign it and the water left. But also I worry if i clean a window and the frame rubber has dirt and its leaks down and then your gone you dont no the dirt line has run, I have seen this next door first hand, that whats worrying, does that happen?

I think doing WFP ups is good and trad down, saves water and why waste pure when you can easily do trad, I dont no fuly as I have not done it, so you guys will know more than myself, thats just my thought. But yeah Tuffers your right I will uild it up trad and as you say I wont have enough custys to warrent it yet. WFP is deffo a progression or if you start with loads custys then your ok.

THANKS!

 

[TolishAPurd]

Just my opinion but I think every window cleaner should be able to trad to a good standard. Not being able to trad to me is like a plumber thats not able to solder copper pipe, as he can only use pushfit. :thumbsdown:

For the awkward windows you have a few options:

Trad pole it (make sure you explain to the custy that this one window may not be perfect due to this).

Clean it from the inside as and when you catch the cuntomer in.

Or leave the window altogether and charge the customer a little less.

I find most in fact all people are ok with this, I've not lost one yet anyway.

 

[Scottie]

you will soon pick up lots of work mate remember ,so dont buy twice if your going WFP.my own thought if WFP no point doing trad bottoms your already there with your pole minutes and the bottoms are done

WFP is the easier safer quicker option, started trad then went WFP but still do trad also.

When you have mastered both trad & WFP you have more strings to your bow

gd luck matey

Hi duncs, yeah I think peeps like tuffers is right, I dont warrent to have a wfp yet, my business is only building slowly, I have one or two custys here and there. I think of the safty issues to, I am not bothered going up ladder, but think about it to, but then again years back it was only ladder. Anyway, if i do trad I will have the skill behind me and then use WFP whn i need it, I dont have the custys and have time on my side, so as tuffers said time is ok for me and thats it really, thats the statement that has hit me and helped me decide, thanks tuffers.

 

[Tuffers]

Clean it from the inside as and when you catch the cuntomer in.

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[Scottie]

Just my opinion but I think every window cleaner should be able to trad to a good standard. Not being able to trad to me is like a plumber thats not able to solder copper pipe, as he can only use pushfit. :thumbsdown:
For the awkward windows you have a few options:

Trad pole it (make sure you explain to the custy that this one window may not be perfect due to this).

Clean it from the inside as and when you catch the cuntomer in.

Or leave the window altogether and charge the customer a little less.

I find most in fact all people are ok with this, I've not lost one yet anyway.

Ah thats interesting, this is my worry here, the windows above garages that slope etc, can you do a house and leave a window? or try to pole it and explain its hard to get? This is what worrys me and makes me think about the WFP route. But yes, you could explain about the hard to get window, I practice the pole trad i have the unger set up 24ft pole and swivel o, but my god its harder than I thought. I agree also, part of me thinks to, im a window cleaner but can not trad, what if people want a trad? on FB here down south people moan left right and center. I saw a post also re it on a site said somthign like "wow this guy turns up and water everywhere it was dripping down after he left on my head" see some peolple never happy. So have to be flexible your right mate.

I wish I did not take an interest in WFP now lol, its sidetracking me lol.... I just wish I was at your guys level and not a newbie, its a real struggle.

 

[Scottie]

BTW - how many literes pure do you use a day then and how mnay houses is that ball park figures.

I think if i had the WFP set up I would clena just tops and say 8 houses it would defo be 100 liters??? so nearly 175 liters a day in waste and pure. WOW water bills rises!! In south it sucks I think, paya fourtune. They would be sright in the phone to my house.lol

 

[Tuffers]

Also, if you can use a mop and blade, you'll be able to sell the fact that you can clean insides too (potential for more work /emoticons/smile.png) I bet there's loads of WFPers that can't use a blade.

 

[Duncs]

scottie your over thinking things it will all turn out right

when I was trad using a pole always used a sobo squeegee worked great

you just have to learn the guys here will give you loads of advice

there is some folk you will never please no mater how much you try FB

Let it go over your head you try your best hayho

 

[PTWC]

Ah thats interesting, this is my worry here, the windows above garages that slope etc, can you do a house and leave a window? or try to pole it and explain its hard to get? This is what worrys me and makes me think about the WFP route. But yes, you could explain about the hard to get window, I practice the pole trad i have the unger set up 24ft pole and swivel o, but my god its harder than I thought. I agree also, part of me thinks to, im a window cleaner but can not trad, what if people want a trad? on FB here down south people moan left right and center. I saw a post also re it on a site said somthign like "wow this guy turns up and water everywhere it was dripping down after he left on my head" see some peolple never happy. So have to be flexible your right mate.
I wish I did not take an interest in WFP now lol, its sidetracking me lol.... I just wish I was at your guys level and not a newbie, its a real struggle.

Your stressing too much about it Scottie.

"Dont panic Captain Manwaring, dont panic"

I'd concentrate on getting some customers.

If you can't reach a certain window, just say to the custy 'I can do all these windows, but wont be able to do that window up there, because its not accessible' , and the price is £15 or whatever. When shall I do it for you, is next Tuesday good for you. OK that's lovely, thank you very much. I'll be here next Tuesday. /emoticons/smile.png

Thats it!

 

[Scottie]

Yes, your right, I have two custys whom want insides doing and connys inside. So yeah trad is so worthwhile, makes me as a newbie feel more of a windy doing trad.