massive hotel to quote

[simon]

thanks a lot for the replies, i would really love this job, they have told me 2 days is not a problem not sure about 3, me & my son will do it & maybe a good mate who's trad & will do the inside bits. if i don't get it its no prob just a bit of exprience, only thing that scares me is getting it at too low a price.

i got the impression it didn't matter if i was more expensive as long as they get a good job & me being local seemed to please him i was thinking £1000 for the first clean for 2 of us then mebbe £800 but looking at those amounts knocks me sideways

 

[simon]

I agree here. I would be cautious about being asked to quote for the job @simon. But that's me.I've been asked to quote on several large commercial properties over the years and what they were after was a written quote to renegotiate their contract with their existing window cleaners who they had no intention of canceling.

I would have asked what I was up against with regard to price. They will either refuse to divulge it or they will give you a stupid price. Don't be taken in with their talk.

If you have to go out and especially buy equipment you need to this particular job, then be even more wary. They could change their minds and you could end up doing the job once and that's it. You will be left with a pole for example that you won't use again, selling it on at a greatly reduced price.

I hope I'm wrong TBH, but always tread with caution.

As far as pricing is concerned, as has been already stated, break it up into sections and price it according to what you think it will take time wise. If the previous/current cleaners are taking 24 hours to do a substandard job then you have probably got to consider it will take you much longer, especially when you don't know the job. Consider that old painted wooden sash windows can be a real time consumer to get right, so I would consider that you might have to do each window in sections to allow for them to dry/stop dripping before you clean the pane underneath.

@Tuffers has also made a few valid comments with regard to the health and safety aspect. They will expect a detailed method statement and risk assessment. Your insurance will probably have to be upgraded as well if it does cover items worked on.

he asked about liability , i have 2 mill & said he'dneed to see it but never mentioned method statements

 

[CHWS]

Hope you get it mate, will be a lovely big pay cheque for a couple of days work , no collecting either which is a hell of a bonus

 

[simon]

ok, which firm does this simon

laddersfree fom manchester

 

[Tuffers]

thanks a lot for the replies, i would really love this job, they have told me 2 days is not a problem not sure about 3, me & my son will do it & maybe a good mate who's trad & will do the inside bits. if i don't get it its no prob just a bit of exprience, only thing that scares me is getting it at too low a price.i got the impression it didn't matter if i was more expensive as long as they get a good job & me being local seemed to please him i was thinking £1000 for the first clean for 2 of us then mebbe £800 but looking at those amounts knocks me sideways

The thing is, if you're chocka with work anyway and have to knock your regular work back to fit this job in at the same rates you're already getting, is it worth it? I don't know what you earn, but if you went in at £800 for 2 days for 2 of you it would amount to £200 a day each. Can you earn more than that on regular work? I'd price it 50% higher than my regular work if you're flat out. If you got it you're on a winner, if you don't, you ain't lost owt.

 

[Cghwindowcleaning]

laddersfree fom manchester

Laddersfree are a national I do some work for them.

If they are a national chain of hotels they will Probably have the contract for them all.

Because of the contract it doesn't matter if you go in at a pound unless there doing a really bad job and missing dates or cleans you won't get the job the contract will be in place to protect them and there work.

 

[simon]

The thing is, if you're chocka with work anyway and have to knock your regular work back to fit this job in at the same rates you're already getting, is it worth it? I don't know what you earn, but if you went in at £800 for 2 days for 2 of you it would amount to £200 a day each. Can you earn more than that on regular work? I'd price it 50% higher than my regular work if you're flat out. If you got it you're on a winner, if you don't, you ain't lost owt.

i need more work cos my son wants to go full time, he gets 25% at the moment

 

[simon]

Laddersfree are a national I do some work for them.If they are a national chain of hotels they will Probably have the contract for them all.

Because of the contract it doesn't matter if you go in at a pound unless there doing a really bad job and missing dates or cleans you won't get the job the contract will be in place to protect them and there work.

that may be so but he wants me to quote for it & to get rid of them so i dunno

 

[Taxlossloz]

Wow that's huge

I think you should give an initial price to get the windows up to scratch - cover yourself time wise

Then take it from there- for the next clean price it up again

 

[Cghwindowcleaning]

You have nothing to lose so put in a quote and you never know.

But if they are national doesn't matter what the manager thinks it won't be his decision to make.

Best of luck.

 

[simon]

Laddersfree are a national I do some work for them.If they are a national chain of hotels they will Probably have the contract for them all.

Because of the contract it doesn't matter if you go in at a pound unless there doing a really bad job and missing dates or cleans you won't get the job the contract will be in place to protect them and there work.

are they good payers @Cghwindowcleaning ? i mean if they are paying 3 lads £10/hr for 8 work +1hr travel + costs they could be charging £500 a clean which is way lower than i would do it for

 

[kevinc250]

thats the problem with large commercial jobs-it may seem you'd make a fortune from it all but the truth is that theres not that much money to be made from it unless you are a sole trader with low overheads of course then it can be made profitable,i'd still be looking at the grand mark for that

 

[windowsurfer]

I have done a couple of properties that I have been at all day, big issue for me is you just keep working on as you don't know how long it's going to take you n you knock the life out of yourself without really taking a break. The next day your arms are wasted, so if you are doing a job like that. I think I would want a day off that is paid for recovery.

IMO Big companies pay people hourly rates that are a bit grim for the effort they put in. I think there should be some sort of H&S regulations, such as regular breaks for high work, that cover big company employees doing regular high work, maybe there is, but I don't know.

as already said you have to put price above your normal work or it's not worth it. As you end up working for longer n harder, than doing a few jobs then moving onto next bit.

Make it work for you

 

[simon]

thats the problem with large commercial jobs-it may seem you'd make a fortune from it all but the truth is that theres not that much money to be made from it unless you are a sole trader with low overheads of course then it can be made profitable,i'd still be looking at the grand mark for that

yeh your right & the thing is the, very small town its in is my best paying round i can do £40/hr all day there if i work hard enough, so i'm expecting more than that really, my lass says i should do it for nowt & barter our wedding out of it

 

[windowsurfer]

yeh your right & the thing is the, very small town its in is my best paying round i can do £40/hr all day there if i work hard enough, so i'm expecting more than that really, my lass says i should do it for nowt & barter our wedding out of it

Sounds like you are doing really well already, so just keep up the good work. Could you offer a day a month and get a standing order set up, clean a section a month? Might get asked to clean prime areas of hotel e.g. restaurant Windows more often? Just a thought

 

[Green Pro Clean Ltd]

Sounds like you are doing really well already, so just keep up the good work. Could you offer a day a month and get a standing order set up, clean a section a month? Might get asked to clean prime areas of hotel e.g. restaurant Windows more often? Just a thought

That is a cracking idea.

 

[simon]

Sounds like you are doing really well already, so just keep up the good work. Could you offer a day a month and get a standing order set up, clean a section a month? Might get asked to clean prime areas of hotel e.g. restaurant Windows more often? Just a thought

im only there 2 days a month & i dont make that anywhere else, its a big retirement area , lots of old people from cities with lots of coin etc, great idea that though, take some working out,

 

[CHWS]

Not unless you do it on a Saturday and Sunday mate , I don't know of you work either days already but then it's adding a bonus for you every 4 months without taking any other days out , also its coming up into the brighter nights as well nothing to stop you doing it after working hours. If it was me I would be doing it for as low as I could

 

[Cghwindowcleaning]

are they good payers @Cghwindowcleaning ? i mean if they are paying 3 lads £10/hr for 8 work +1hr travel + costs they could be charging £500 a clean which is way lower than i would do it for

Ladders free have employees and subbies like me.

Some jobs the price is agreed and Some I am asked to quote.

I don't clean any hotels for them I clean some of there retail work which pays me a price I am happy with.

This job is probably cleaned by subbies people like Me the job will be more than likely be on a 2 year contract.

I do a lot of large work like this just last week I cleaned a site of 12 blocks of flats these jobs are hard graft but for me I prefer to be on one big job than loads of small jobs.

You don't want to be mucking about doing it on different days and weeks get stuck in to it and get it smashed out.

If ladders free clean the whole chain it doesn't matter what the manager thinks the choice of contractor won't be up to him it is made higher up.

A couple of thinks to look at when doing big jobs like this.

Do you have the time?

Do you have the tools?(some parts may need a longer pole than you have)

Do you have the right insurance?(some may require a min £5mill)

Do you have the health and safety in place(some may want you to have accredations like safe contractor or chas)although unlikely.provode Rams and h&s policy.

Can you wait for your money?(sometimes up to 90 days.

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Quote your price, buy the tools required if you get it, don't worry about anyone or anything else. If they want you they'll have you regardless- trust me.

 

[boarcity]

dont be scared to admit its beyond you . take into account youll ache for days afterwards and not earn much money in those days in fact you want to factor in at least a days paid rest afterwards

last yr i was asked to quote a hospital being turned into luxury apartments. after a site walk round designed to impress me/suss me out i was handed forms to quote. in the quote forms were all sorts of carefully worded clauses that could turn the job into a nitemare when it came to paying up

i wrote on the back of the form , "im not intrested in this job" and posted it back to them