Reinforcing van suspension etc

Discussion in 'Water Fed Pole Cleaning' started by Cleanz, Apr 29, 2014.

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  1. Cleanz

    Cleanz Active Member
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    I've managed to borrow the money for a new van (Vauxhall Combo 1.3 Cdti), after my Renault Kangoo cambelt went (even though I had it replace months ago).

    Anyway, for now I'm going to be carting around 14 25l barrels (350l), 2x backpacks on trolleys, poles etc - think the payload is around 650kg, so will be under but was wondering do I need to re-inforce the suspension or anything else? I've seen quite a few people on here mention it....

    Also what about fibre glassing the back?

    Thanks
     
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  2. Tuffers

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    I used to carry lots of barrels when I had no tank. I lashed them all up against the bulkhead.
     
  3. spruce

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    #3 spruce, Apr 30, 2014
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    If the payload is 650kgs and you are carrying less weight than that, you don't have to worry as the van is designed to carry that weight.

    At one time a business wanted their 600LX Berlingo's uprated to 800's. They bought the 600 against advice as they were cheaper, later realised the error of the ways and tried to rectify things.
    They eventually traded the newly new vans in and bought 800 as that was the cheapest option.

    Replacing the front and rear suspension, 5 tyres and a couple of other minor things (chassis plate change was one) wasn't worth the cost. (If I remember correctly the 'easiest' way paperwise was to re register the van with a new chassis number but this wasn't practical with regard to the van. For example, an altered chassis number would draw suspicion when MOT was done and with potential new buyers.) The work of uprating the van had to be done by a specialist; in those days it was the workshop of a franchise manufacturer (Citroen dealership), and they would issue a certificate for the work done. This would be presented to the DVLA who would re register the van with a higher payload.


    If this procedure wasn't followed to the letter, then you could still be prosecuted for an overloaded van because DVLA would still know it as a 600 kg payload. Overweight can mean points on your licence.

    Spare part ordering can also become a nightmare as most dealers use the reg no to identify the exact part you need. So if the records aren't correctly updated, then the chances are you will get parts for the 600 rather than the 800.

    Some have used fibreglass, but this also needs a top coat to be effective. We used Protectakote for all the vans which has been fine and is slip proof, an essential if you get into a van with wet shoes. The only issue is 'damage' caused by loading and off loading the hose reel. In that area we have put down some rubber matting to protect that.
    Car derived vans (those vans that are also people carriers) have a plate spot welded across the rear passenger footwells on the floor pan to make the cargo load area flat. Fibreglassing the floor is a good way of sealing that and also making a 'dam' behind the rear seats and sides to contain any spills.
     
  4. Luke Elliott

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    As Spruce says. If you're under the payload (don't forget fuel, driver and passenger are included as part of that payload) then you have nothing to worry about. Also you're thinking about suspension and tyres but don't forget brakes may need uprating too. If you're over the payload - get a new van or lose some of the load. I have a Mitisubishi L200 with a 1 tonne payload. It's also highly modifified as it's not only used for work. I can tell you that modifying vehicles to that level is not cheap and not simple when it comes to paper work. Stay under the payload.

    I would consider a bed liner like Line X or Raptor liner for the back of a van. These spray on liners are designed for pick up truck beds where builders and trades men will be throwing rubble, bricks, tools etc etc you name it into the back. So it's tough. Really tough. It won't break or tear where the hose real keeps getting dropped and slid onto it. And it's completely water proof. You just need to make sure that corners are siliconed so that the liner sprays over that, because the liner won't bridge a gap. I had protectacote and compared to a bed liner it's awful.
     
  5. Cleanz

    Cleanz Active Member
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    I have to spread mine out across the entire back of the van as my bulkhead is like a moulded plastic thing that is just one piece, top to bottom.

    Spruce, thanks for the informative post as always, great information - I think I might just use the Protectakote :)
     
  6. Cleanz

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    Ahhh just read this mate, I will look into that as an alternative then... With regards to hose reel - we dont have one! We are just barrels, backpacks on trolleys and two poles :)

    With regard to the brakes I can feel a difference, they don't respond as well. I will get myself down the local garage to see how much it is to upgrade them asap.
     
  7. Luke Elliott

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    Ah sorry I made not have made myself clear. Brakes is the same as suspension - if you're under the payload you don't need to upgrade the brakes. If it's a brand new van the brakes will be just fine. If it's a second hand van maybe the brakes could do with a service. Purely because we do carry a lot of weight and it's always best if they are tip top. But upgrades, no. I was just saying they should be upgraded if you're going over the payload.
     
  8. Cleanz

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    It is second hand, (`08 56,000) but the van company were meant to have given it a full service, done the brakes but I don't think they did personally. That's good to know then, no expensive upgrades yet. Planning on keeping this for a couple of years and then getting something bigger which will definatly have a tank in it :)
     
  9. boarcity

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    you could put beefier spring on the back ,a simple upgrade . but dont tell your insurance or they will fleece you if you modify a vehicle .
     
  10. Cleanz

    Cleanz Active Member
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    Well if it's simple could be an option, I wouldn't attempt anything myself - I know next to nothing about cars/vans. (Which is normally why I get fleeced by garages!)
     
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