Some will find the truth painful but.......

[Adman]

Some of the sentiment here doesn't quite sit right with me.  There are many roads to poverty and misery, and it's overly simplistic to assume that taking away state support would lead to millions of people jumping into work.  Many people would fall further into poverty and misery, and it's fair to say that some would turn (or return) to crime to fill the cash gap making our society worse for everyone.

A reform of the benefits system requires massive health and educational support from the state to fix peoples problems, and offer a "rung on the ladder" to more opportunity. 

On a flip side, isn't it ironic that those who moan about the rich being greedy and not paying into the system, offer to pay you in cash to save a bit of money...

 

[Teaboy]

Morals are fine until they start to cost you money!

 

[Incheck]

If i’m honest i’ve never really been a believer in currency, rich, poor, social classes, politics etc etc. I don’t think the human race was ever meant to become as advanced as it is, and maybe we’re too advanced for our own good. a hunter gatherer lifestyle, and self sufficiency (living off the land) etc, is the only way where it’s possible to find true freedom and happiness i reckon. I watch a lot of programmes like yukon men/mountain men, alaska the last frontier, the last alaskans etc, really in to it. They’re all so happy. Helping each other through the rough and the smooth. 

I’ve been born in to this system and i roll with it because i have to its the only way i know, i dont have the skills to survive outside it, but i’m not going to lie i feel it’s all a false. All you ever truly have is yourself and loved ones. when a solar flare or electro magnetic pulse or something similar happens, the system (figures, bank balances etc) will all vanish.

 

[ks789]

If i’m honest i’ve never really been a believer in currency, rich, poor, social classes, politics etc etc. I don’t think the human race was ever meant to become as advanced as it is, and maybe we’re too advanced for our own good. a hunter gatherer lifestyle, and self sufficiency (living off the land) etc, is the only way where it’s possible to find true freedom and happiness i reckon. I watch a lot of programmes like yukon men/mountain men, alaska the last frontier, the last alaskans etc, really in to it. They’re all so happy. Helping each other through the rough and the smooth. 

I’ve been born in to this system and i roll with it because i have to its the only way i know, i dont have the skills to survive outside it, but i’m not going to lie i feel it’s all a false. All you ever truly have is yourself and loved ones. when a solar flare or electro magnetic pulse or something similar happens, the system (figures, bank balances etc) will all vanish.

so true, I think it was chief sitting Bull in America who said only when the last tree etc was cut down that the elite would realise they cant eat money. I see that damn microchip implant on the news again. slowly but surely. It would add up then why they're having towns with no cash machines anymore.

 

[willy windows]

so true, I think it was chief sitting Bull in America who said only when the last tree etc was cut down that the elite would realise they cant eat money. I see that damn microchip implant on the news again. slowly but surely. It would add up then why they're having towns with no cash machines anymore.

If memory serves ,there was some sort of voucher scheme tried before, but it turned out that Mr Corner shop was prepared to exchange the vouchers for hard cash. I.E exchange £100 of vouchers for say £85 hard cash so booze fags could still be bought.System doomed to failure if both parties are on the fiddle !

 

[Mark Lynch]

Socialism sounds great and sounds like it's a fair system. But it only works up to the family unit.

When put into practice last century the humans subjected to it were devastated. According to research around 60 million Russians lost their lives.

The National Socialist Democratic party (NSDAP), or Nazis as they are better known as, killed God knows how many and embroiled Europe in a war that became global. And then Chinese communists topped all that. It is thought over a 100 million died.

Currently if anyone needs proof we can look at Steptoe's wonderful utopia of Veneuzela going down the crapper. Ditto South Africa. Going exactly the same way Rhodesia disappeared.

Capitalism is not perfect but it not a dead horse like Socialism. Socialism has killed millions and for some reason this is not being taught enough in schools.