The Brexit Thread

[Part Timer]

Black & Decker, Electrolux and Rothmans which each employed 100's if not more each all gone now and they paid a decent wage and provided pensions it's all a thing of the past now.

Rothmans went to Poland, my brother in law worked there. 

 

[P4dstar]

Yes there are a lot of lazy ar5es who grew up in houses where the parents were benefit dependent, but theres plenty of good hard working Brits out there.

My mum didn't work my entire childhood. My stepdad worked for the first year they were together and then spent years trying to claim disability benefit for a bad back. Thankfully I had good examples in my life too, an uncle that ran a successful roofing company until he fell off a roof, he started again with a paving company and is probably the biggest supplier of flood proof paving in the north of England. The good examples meant I knew that claiming benefits wasn't the only way to live. I was kicked out of home at 16 and moved into sheltered accommodation with a bunch of misfits who just wanted to take drugs and get drunk every day. I moved to the other side of the country and got myself a job working for Wetherspoons, all I ever wanted to do was run a pub. Only been out of work for 2 weeks since I turned 18. It took me a long time to land on window cleaning.

I go back to my home town now and see some of the lads I grew up with are doing solid jobs, one who had a much worse upbringing than me is a manager for Amazon... Unfortunately the bulk of them are layabouts. At a wedding a few years back I made the mistake of asking what one of the lads was up to only to be met with ''tryna stay out of trouble'' like its some sort of profession ?‍

Without the influences on the fringes of my life like my uncle and some people I met along the way I don't think I would be where I am today. It is so easy to fall into the trap of following what your parents do. I think a lot of these kids just need to be told and shown what they can do and that would break the cycle!

 

[Clisty1989]

It's a fight to keep jobs nowadays, round here there are 2 large employers, amazon and port Talbot steelworks. Amazon go through staff obscenely quick, I've been there it's a horrible place to work and wouldn't go back there for £100ph!! And the steelworks nearly got closed down a couple of times over last couple years. Apart from that the main employers are call centres. Most do ppi sales (I worked in 3) and virgin customer services, which is going next year. Because of this business owners can be picky as there are too many people applying for jobs. We are in the situation where we need more jobs, but all major companies are jumping ship. Hopefully after Brexit things will improve,  but it'll take time

 

[P4dstar]

It's a fight to keep jobs nowadays, round here there are 2 large employers, amazon and port Talbot steelworks. Amazon go through staff obscenely quick, I've been there it's a horrible place to work and wouldn't go back there for £100ph!! And the steelworks nearly got closed down a couple of times over last couple years. Apart from that the main employers are call centres. Most do ppi sales (I worked in 3) and virgin customer services, which is going next year. Because of this business owners can be picky as there are too many people applying for jobs. We are in the situation where we need more jobs, but all major companies are jumping ship. Hopefully after Brexit things will improve,  but it'll take time

If every person in the country had the serious drive we would all be in trouble. Look at the amount of jobs you quoted above, you clearly ain't the type of guy who was struggling to find work before doing this. If you aren't willing to quit then you get what you want, maybe not immediately but you definitely get what you want! If a call centre rejected my application I would hound them until I found out why, then I would go away and work on that and hopefully be able to turn that weakness into a strength but at least improve on it!

 

[Clisty1989]

If every person in the country had the serious drive we would all be in trouble. Look at the amount of jobs you quoted above, you clearly ain't the type of guy who was struggling to find work before doing this. If you aren't willing to quit then you get what you want, maybe not immediately but you definitely get what you want! If a call centre rejected my application I would hound them until I found out why, then I would go away and work on that and hopefully be able to turn that weakness into a strength but at least improve on it!

True, I've had a lot of jobs, but that's because I had the drive and experience over other applicants, I was lucky. However, if your 18 and no experience you are going to find it a lot harder, which feeds the attitude of entitlement and the benefit culture. The only real solution is to create more jobs and get people into work straight out of school.

 

[scottish cleaning service]

I see where your coming from, but also I will say its not the happiest who earn loads. Look at the tribal societies, money means nothing, they live a simple life, food, warmth and family. we used to be like that pre roman times, but now we're in the rat race, for better or worse. I think we can learn a lot from the old school, but at the moment its what it is. and if you want a decent standard you graft and if you dont graft then you get what you put in. 

The Bell Curve of money to happiness is £80k that is the optimum. After that it stays the same no matter how much more you get. So we all want to hit 80k in our earning. Looking to clear a grand a week after taxes, I could happily live on that.

 

[scottish cleaning service]

There is a firm called Ebac which is local to me that makes washing machines, but products really need to be given a chance to take off, British made cars are available in a way although by foreign companies take Nissan, for example, they have invested millions over the years in a plant in the North East and there are other brands as well. But yes admittedly a lot of manufacturing has moved abroad in the town down the road from me there was Black & Decker, Electrolux and Rothmans which each employed 100's if not more each all gone now and they paid a decent wage and provided pensions it's all a thing of the past now.

I like what you say But in life it all comes down to money. That's why the Chinese peg their currency to the Dollar. It will always mean that the Chinese Yuan/Remimbi will be 90% less than the Dollar. No Western country can compete on labour costs because it equates to £50 a month. In the end it has always ended in a war because its a see-saw, for them to go up, we must go down.

 

[P4dstar]

True, I've had a lot of jobs, but that's because I had the drive and experience over other applicants, I was lucky. However, if your 18 and no experience you are going to find it a lot harder, which feeds the attitude of entitlement and the benefit culture. The only real solution is to create more jobs and get people into work straight out of school.

The true character of a person has nothing to do with what they have, its how they would respond if they had nothing at had to start again. If someone put my on my ar5e tomorrow I guarantee you I would still get somewhere. My favourite quote of all time is from Mike Tyson ''Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth'' and most kids (including my own) need to understand that life will punch you in the mouth over and over again. I've dealt with a stepdad that used to beat me and put me down, being kicked out of home at 16, the mother of my first child running off with my best friend... and many more trials and tribulations. These things are mild compared to some people. My wife lost both of her parents at the age of 4, perfect example. I know that no matter how bad it gets someone has it worse and if kids just realised that this generation has access to information and technology on such a grand scale they could and should be the best and most advanced generation yet.

The point i'm getting at is these kids we're talking about have nothing and they could and should develop something from nothing. Someone needs to give them a good hard slap across the face and wake them up. They don't need safe spaces they need to man the f**k up and make something of their lives. It's not a dress rehearsal after all, you only get one shot at it!

 

[dave83]

We could do so much in uk, if they were really serious about it. Whats to stop us manufacturing/industry/inventing and producing our own stuff instead of worrying about their poxy tariffs. it could work so well, but thats the problem, we are not independent and we are shackled to the damn global elite. Many think its conspiracy rantings, I truly wish it was, but it aint. 

only problem is a strong pound. works well for buying not for selling. our energy costs are high hence dyson designs, takes the eu grant but then manufactures in asia.

 

[P4dstar]

That's why you're a window cleaner.

I don't get it? @Suhrly's opinion is held by a lot of people in society, literally all levels, even some politicians and has nothing to do with anyones profession. I don't see how someones opinion is worth less because of what they do?

 

[P4dstar]

It isn't worth less for that reason. It's worth less because it's stupid. 

On what basis? Tony Blair started a war looking for weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist. Thousands of people are dead because of the war with Iraq. He left a sinking ship and put Brown in charge to take the blame. He makes millions as a consultant to companies in the middle east that are benefiting for the redistribution of Iraqi wealth after his war. He has rather publicly tried to move himself forward for the job as president of the European council. Doesn't seem stupid to want to do the opposite to what he says to me.

 

[Part Timer]

Well fair enough. If he tells you that ******* pigs isn't right, just carry on doing it then. 

Just because you want to remain doesn't give you the right to criticise others. I think you will find people on here tend to allow other people to have opinions, even if they don't always agree with them. Making disparaging remarks about other window cleaners, and the industry you actually work in, tends to go down very badly. If you're coming on here to cause trouble then you won't last long.

 

[Clisty1989]

I have removed messages that i perceived as offensive. If any more appear on this thread I with delete the thread. I'm all for a good debate but not when it starts getting personal.

 

[8weekly]

I have removed messages that i perceived as offensive. If any more appear on this thread I with delete the thread. I'm all for a good debate but not when it starts getting personal.

How is it offensive to point out the stupidity of saying if someone says one thing, I will always do the opposite? It's idiotic. 

Often too, those that say such things about Blair were daft enough to believe the WMD thing. 

Just because you want to remain doesn't give you the right to criticise others. I think you will find people on here tend to allow other people to have opinions, even if they don't always agree with them. Making disparaging remarks about other window cleaners, and the industry you actually work in, tends to go down very badly. If you're coming on here to cause trouble then you won't last long.

I'm not bothered how it goes down. I'm sorry you're all such snowflakes.

 

[scottish cleaning service]

How is it offensive to point out the stupidity of saying if someone says one thing, I will always do the opposite? It's idiotic. 

Often too, those that say such things about Blair were daft enough to believe the WMD thing. 

I'm not bothered how it goes down. I'm sorry you're all such snowflakes.

I read a book called (How to win friends and influence people) about a few decades ago, it was written in the 30's. There's a bit that says "No one wins an argument" which is hard to believe. Then it states the reason that we have inbuilt biases. Even when someone is wrong they still believe they are right and continue to argue. A few folk on here could do with reading that book it will change the way you perceive other folks opinions.   

 

[P4dstar]

How is it offensive to point out the stupidity of saying if someone says one thing, I will always do the opposite? It's idiotic. 

Often too, those that say such things about Blair were daft enough to believe the WMD thing. 

I'm not bothered how it goes down. I'm sorry you're all such snowflakes.

 

[8weekly]

I read a book called (How to win friends and influence people) about a few decades ago, it was written in the 30's. There's a bit that says "No one wins an argument" which is hard to believe. Then it states the reason that we have inbuilt biases. Even when someone is wrong they still believe they are right and continue to argue. A few folk on here could do with reading that book it will change the way you perceive other folks opinions.   

Confirmation bias. 

 

[Part Timer]

I'm not bothered how it goes down. I'm sorry you're all such snowflakes.

?? I promise you being the keyboard warrior you are you wouldn't be calling me anything but Sir if you met me in a bad mood.

 

[8weekly]

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You obviously don't know what a troll is. I'm challenging views and putting forward my reason and engaging. It's not my fault you lot don't like a different view.

?? I promise you being the keyboard warrior you are you wouldn't be calling me anything but Sir if you met me in a bad mood.

So now you're acting all hard. ?

 

[P4dstar]

How is it offensive to point out the stupidity of saying if someone says one thing, I will always do the opposite? It's idiotic.

This is the logic my 11 year old boy uses. If we all followed instructions to the letter how many learner drivers would go ''straight over'' the roundabout... 

 

[8weekly]

This is the logic my 11 year old boy uses. If we all followed instructions to the letter how many learner drivers would go ''straight over'' the roundabout... 

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Using your logic, if Tony Blair told you to go around it, you'd do exactly that.