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Well I’ve saved a fortune on watches as there’s a clock on my phone ?

My wife asked for a new watch for Christmas. I said what’s the point, there’s a clock on the cooker ??

 
If that were the case why would so many be doing it ?? There is some red tape but that’s the case with all things . 
Plenty are doing it and more will, many people can't afford mortgages these days so the only option available is to rent that's if they can get a house I get the impression locally rentals are getting snapped up in no time, no decent jobs these days for the working classes just a mile or so down the road from us we had Black & Decker, Rothmans & Electrolux all paying a decent wage and a company pension now all flattened and houses built on the sites

Also the big rental companies like the housing association ones are massive these days having brand new houses built, locally Livin housing bought up 1,000's of houses from the former district council and have had in excess of 200 built locally in last year or so, the UK will no doubt end up more like parts of Europe were renting is far more the norm than people owning their own houses

 
Plenty are doing it and more will, many people can't afford mortgages these days so the only option available is to rent
And the reason they can’t afford a mortgage is because the house prices are artificially inflated by buy to let.

I hope the bubble bursts. It’s disgusting the amount of people and families who are prevented from having the security of owning their own home by ‘landlords’ who then make a profit from them.

 
And the reason they can’t afford a mortgage is because the house prices are artificially inflated by buy to let.

I hope the bubble bursts. It’s disgusting the amount of people and families who are prevented from having the security of owning their own home by ‘landlords’ who then make a profit from them.
Agreed in some areas it is along with other areas where houses are snapped up as holiday lets and local people whose families have lived in the areas for decades can't afford the houses

Slightly different in the area I live in the North East of England investors from outside the area have bought old terraces and ex council houses they don't care who is in them as long as they are making money some are well overdue of having serious improvements and once decent streets are been run down by landlords and the tenants 

 
If that were the case why would so many be doing it ?? There is some red tape but that’s the case with all things . 
When they started it was fine and house prices were low and most of all the balance was on the landlord. Remember my father became a millionaire through homeless because we were only one's doing it up here in Paisley in the 1980's. Then recession and everyone was taking in homeless or hotels would go bust. Labour took office and it changed from hotels to renting out property. Then Tories took office and changed things in favour of tenant and more regulations and DSS cheque goes to tenant first. They have had nightmare tenants up here with addiction problems. Now universities have jumped on the bandwageon with student accommodation building. My mate runs his own electrical company for oil rigs and his accountant told him he needs to offload a lot of cash from business and told him to buy two new flats and rent them out. Its a lot to do with accountants who see new property as a safe investment. Housing Benefit is costing the Government about £30 Billion a year and I believe we are heading for Hostel accommodation in the future to get the bill down. They just can't keep adding to it, in 2024 will be a top and then a recession or stagnant period. We owe £3 Trillion and have to be seen in containing it, don't think we will ever be able to pay it off. fwiw

 
And the reason they can’t afford a mortgage is because the house prices are artificially inflated by buy to let.

I hope the bubble bursts. It’s disgusting the amount of people and families who are prevented from having the security of owning their own home by ‘landlords’ who then make a profit from them.
I totally agree with you , house prices are ridiculous , but most that rent pay more for rent than a mortgage would cost them per month , the problem is them having enough fir the deposit . My tenants are both more than able to afford a mortgage one is  a CPO in the navy and his wife is a nurse and they don’t want to buy there own house they said they like not having the responsibility  of it and if anything needs repairing or replacing it’s my problem not theirs so it’s swings and roundabouts, but I do agree with your sentiments , both my daughters are struggling to buy their own homes due to what you have said , certain areas are worse than others house prices down hear are very high and wages if employed in most cases are low , but then if you live in London and are on good money prices there are much higher so you end up in the same situation. Like all things though renting a property is a business so you have to make a profit or you would go bust , you wouldn’t clean someone’s windows at cost price would you . 

 
And the reason they can’t afford a mortgage is because the house prices are artificially inflated by buy to let.

I hope the bubble bursts. It’s disgusting the amount of people and families who are prevented from having the security of owning their own home by ‘landlords’ who then make a profit from them.
Amen to that. 

North Devon & Torridge is deep within a housing crisis.

So many Airbnb's second homes and stupidly priced houses here 

I'm sure it's no different than the rest of the country 

It needs to change and soonish 

 
 Like all things though renting a property is a business so you have to make a profit or you would go bust , you wouldn’t clean someone’s windows at cost price would you . 
That’s precisely the problem, it should never have been a business.

and my cleaning of windows for a profit is not preventing peoples access to a fundamental necessity, and security in their lives.

 
That’s precisely the problem, it should never have been a business.

and my cleaning of windows for a profit is not preventing peoples access to a fundamental necessity, and security in their lives.
Unfortunately that’s the way it is and there is nothing we can do about that . But as I said some don’t want to own their own house . I started off renting years ago and am only ware I am now by hard work , no one has handed me anything on a plate , so it can be done although I accept it’s not easy , for years  I was doing 3 jobs when employed it was hard work then I saw the light and went self employed. 

 
Unfortunately that’s the way it is and there is nothing we can do about that . But as I said some don’t want to own their own house . I started off renting years ago and am only ware I am now by hard work , no one has handed me anything on a plate , so it can be done although I accept it’s not easy , for years  I was doing 3 jobs when employed it was hard work then I saw the light and went self employed. 
I entirely disagree with all of that, that’s a case of ‘**** you, I got mine.’

there is plenty that can and should be done about it, but it’ll take a massive market correction and lots of people will lose money.

Don’t get me wrong I have saved and bought my own house, so I’m not some bitter tenant talking here.

a small 2 bedroom house here is £300k 3 beds jump to £400k and £450k.

no amount of ‘hard work’ or 2/3 jobs is going make that affordable for a family, with a 10% deposit you’d need a household income of over £70k, and other than windows cleaners I don’t know many people earning that money.

 
I entirely disagree with all of that, that’s a case of ‘**** you, I got mine.’

there is plenty that can and should be done about it, but it’ll take a massive market correction and lots of people will lose money.

Don’t get me wrong I have saved and bought my own house, so I’m not some bitter tenant talking here.

a small 2 bedroom house here is £300k 3 beds jump to £400k and £450k.

no amount of ‘hard work’ or 2/3 jobs is going make that affordable for a family, with a 10% deposit you’d need a household income of over £70k, and other than windows cleaners I don’t know many people earning that money.
No it’s not it’s just stating that it can be done I started with nothing and paying rent , so I fully understand what it’s like , I do accept that prices are higher now than when I started but it can be done , might mean moving to a different area and starting with a cheaper property and build up , but it can be done if ones have the determination I didn’t say it was easy though , Ime not disagreeing with what you are saying but unfortunately we cannot alter the way it is , we just have to try and work around it . 

 
No it’s not it’s just stating that it can be done I started with nothing and paying rent , so I fully understand what it’s like , I do accept that prices are higher now than when I started but it can be done , might mean moving to a different area and starting with a cheaper property and build up , but it can be done if ones have the determination I didn’t say it was easy though , Ime not disagreeing with what you are saying but unfortunately we cannot alter the way it is , we just have to try and work around it . 
You get a beginning stage and an ending or saturation stage in every business. So one wants to get in at the start or near the beginning so that you are swimming with the tide. If you do wfp then you are swimming with the tide but Trad is against the tide. You see it in retail i e physical shop or internet shop. Its always been there but now its as clear as day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89uOvUDVO4

 
Don't get me started on property. We would love to have bought but it's just out of reach for us. We are lucky in that we rent a 4 bed semi for a pretty reasonable rent compared to current prices. But at the same time the boiler is 35 years old, the tiles in the bathroom need replacing, the electrics are unsuitable for the modern age etc. Things we wouldn't put up with if it was our own house. 

We live in an area of Yorkshire which is higher priced than the rest, many have bought second homes. We would need a £50k deposit to get what we would like. Try saving that up while paying rent and bringing up children. My mum and dad, previous generation to me bought their first house for £25k.

Even if I could just about afford to buy at these inflated prices I'm not sure i'd want to, it's unjust.

 
It's such a shame we aren't taught about investing in school. The government doesn't have our best interests at heart, I read recently that they're talking about making the retirement age 73!!! That's ludicrous and you can't even afford to live on what they give you anyway. 

Kids these days should be taught to make their own retirement as most find out about having to do so too late. I'm 25 and pay into an index fund that should make a nice retirement sum for me in the future, because sod relying on anyone else.

 
Some areas of london are 14 times salary.

I spoke to one girl in yorkshire who said " i'll never be able to afford a place"

shes in her 20's on 30k, even if renting get a second job 2 nights and maybe do a saturday that should get you a deposit in 1 or 2 years up north just for 1 or 2 harder years but then at least your paying off your own place and can use it as a stepping stone. 

The worlds not fair and thinking the government will help you won't get you anywhere, only you and good family/ friends will help you get on.

 
Don't get me started on property. We would love to have bought but it's just out of reach for us. We are lucky in that we rent a 4 bed semi for a pretty reasonable rent compared to current prices. But at the same time the boiler is 35 years old, the tiles in the bathroom need replacing, the electrics are unsuitable for the modern age etc. Things we wouldn't put up with if it was our own house. 

We live in an area of Yorkshire which is higher priced than the rest, many have bought second homes. We would need a £50k deposit to get what we would like. Try saving that up while paying rent and bringing up children. My mum and dad, previous generation to me bought their first house for £25k.

Even if I could just about afford to buy at these inflated prices I'm not sure i'd want to, it's unjust.
It's a really tricky one especially with a family. Would you consider buying something less than your ideal just to get on the ladder?   50k seems a lot. I would never recomend it but there are 5% deposit mortgages available now - but 10% on a 250k property would be half that so long as you meet the affordability criteria you'd be okay.  

We moved slightly out of area so we could afford a property. I travel 20 - 25 mins to most of my work. That was in 2018. I thought prices were high then!

 
Don't get me started on property. We would love to have bought but it's just out of reach for us. We are lucky in that we rent a 4 bed semi for a pretty reasonable rent compared to current prices. But at the same time the boiler is 35 years old, the tiles in the bathroom need replacing, the electrics are unsuitable for the modern age etc. Things we wouldn't put up with if it was our own house. 

We live in an area of Yorkshire which is higher priced than the rest, many have bought second homes. We would need a £50k deposit to get what we would like. Try saving that up while paying rent and bringing up children. My mum and dad, previous generation to me bought their first house for £25k.

Even if I could just about afford to buy at these inflated prices I'm not sure i'd want to, it's unjust.
If you are renting , it’s a legal requirement that the  house electrics are are fully checked every socket ,light ,anything that has mains power to it every five years ,if this hasn’t been done get on to the agent you rent through , it’s a Hefty  fine if it’s not done , if you rent direct from the land lord get on to citizens advice they will tell you how best to deal with it . 

I do feel for ones trying to get on the property ladder it’s not easy , I did 3 jobs for many years to be able to get the deposit and then a mortgage, prices are higher now than when I bought my first place 35 years ago . All the best trying to get your own place . 

 
It's a really tricky one especially with a family. Would you consider buying something less than your ideal just to get on the ladder?   50k seems a lot. I would never recomend it but there are 5% deposit mortgages available now - but 10% on a 250k property would be half that so long as you meet the affordability criteria you'd be okay.  

We moved slightly out of area so we could afford a property. I travel 20 - 25 mins to most of my work. That was in 2018. I thought prices were high then!
We have looked into it. We'd need minimum £300k for a normal 3 bed semi here now. We've explored options but the lower the deposit the worse the deal you get and the mortgage repayments become our rent plus 50% extra. Even 2 bed terrace new builds that are tiny are pushing on for £250k here. We'd need a minimum 3 beds with 2 children a boy and a girl.

We have tried and have explored. 

 
Even if I could just about afford to buy at these inflated prices I'm not sure i'd want to, it's unjust.
I hate to say this but I don't think they are inflated prices. I was buying oak wood today and the price has doubled in a year like all wood. Most houses are timber framed so they will need to rise for new builds. You need to try and get on the housing ladder as soon as you can afford it because house prices are not coming down. fwiw

 
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