Help required please

[Baldmonkey]

Good morning

One of my customers asked me to quote to clean the stone window ledges, porch ledge, porch brickwork and front wall with pillars.
Thus would be the first time softwashing something like this, I've done a lot of render with hypo, but not stone and brick work like this.

Could someone help with

1 best form of application on the ledges etc as I don't want to saturate to much of the surrounding brick work.
2 would hypo be enough for this wall, pressure washing not an option as the customer doesn't want it due to loses mortar.
3 rough estimate of the price in people's opinion, I know it differs area to area and person to person.
Thanks

 

[P4dstar]

Has something happened to @Pjj ? This question is right up his alley and he's nowhere to be seen.

 

[Pjj]

Has something happened to @Pjj ? This question is right up his alley and he's nowhere to be seen.

??? I did see it but loosing interest on hear to be honest , theses type of questions are coming up quite frequently ones should do a search at the top and they would probably find the answers , some will not agree with what I say either , but hears my 10 penths worth .
Wet down house walls first then spray a hypo mix on the sills or use thick cheap supermarket gel type bleach applied with a paint brush , agitate leave for up to 40 muinits scrub and rinse well , repeat if nessasary .
As for the wall I would hypo it and scrub with a brush if they don’t want it PW , but usually I would hypo it then PW for best results. But the wall looks quite mankey also hypo will only kill organic growth , if that’s carbonatious dirt hypo won’t work .
As for price again I don’t want to comment on that as I will be criticised and told my prices are untrue .

Some would probably suggest biocide and Waite a few weeks for it to work.
All the above assumes that who ever is going to do the job understands chemical use , has the appropriate PPE and experience to do the job safely .

 

[K in Kent]

??? I did see it but loosing interest on hear to be honest , theses type of questions are coming up quite frequently ones should do a search at the top and they would probably find the answers , some will not agree with what I say either , but hears my 10 penths worth .
Wet down house walls first then spray a hypo mix on the sills or use thick cheap supermarket gel type bleach applied with a paint brush , agitate leave for up to 40 muinits scrub and rinse well , repeat if nessasary .
As for the wall I would hypo it and scrub with a brush if they don’t want it PW , but usually I would hypo it then PW for best results. But the wall looks quite mankey also hypo will only kill organic growth , if that’s carbonatious dirt hypo won’t work .
As for price again I don’t want to comment on that as I will be criticised and told my prices are untrue .

Some would probably suggest biocide and Waite a few weeks for it to work.
All the above assumes that who ever is going to do the job understands chemical use , has the appropriate PPE and experience to do the job safely .

Excellent advice as always. Personally I'd be much happier doing that job with a bit of experience behind me and it's likely to be quite slow and laborious work to do it safely and carefully - especially without PW.
Make sure your price more than covers enough hypo and scent maske - always good idea to use it in a residential area where you could easily get people moaning about the chlorine smell.
Then add at least a few hundred more on top of your costs and you'll have to make a judgement based on what you think they're willing to pay. It's that usual balance of not being too greedy but not working on the cheap. We've all done it and it's demoralising.

 

[Baldmonkey]

We generally spray them but it can be applied through a brush just fine the reason it foams up when brushing is due to agitation .

Excellent advice as always. Personally I'd be much happier doing that job with a bit of experience behind me and it's likely to be quite slow and laborious work to do it safely and carefully - especially without PW.
Make sure your price more than covers enough hypo and scent maske - always good idea to use it in a residential area where you could easily get people moaning about the chlorine smell.
Then add at least a few hundred more on top of your costs and you'll have to make a judgement based on what you think they're willing to pay. It's that usual balance of not being too greedy but not working on the cheap. We've all done it and it's demoralising.

Thanks guys much appreciated, I did do a search but didn't turn anything up ?

 

[kevinc250]

Thanks guys much appreciated, I did do a search but didn't turn anything up ?

it is there if you do an indepth search mate.

 

[K in Kent]

it is there if you do an indepth search mate.

Not to mention the rest of the internet. You can never do too much research and should look at multiple sources for information on methods, techniques, chemicals, equipment etc etc before making informed decisions.
Forums are great but you need to be selective about whose opinions you value. Just because something is said on a forum doesn't mean it's right.

 

[scottish cleaning service]

Looks like near neat hypo on the blackspot with surfactant to makes it stick. Looking at a 25 litre drum of the stuff or more if doing the more round the house. I would do a test patch to see if the customer is happy about the result.

 

[Baldmonkey]

it is there if you do an indepth search mate.

Couldnt see anything mate, must have missed what you saw ?

 

[Baldmonkey]

Thank you for not contributing to the original post whatsoever and for the lecture on how to research something ?????

Not to mention the rest of the internet. You can never do too much research and should look at multiple sources for information on methods, techniques, chemicals, equipment etc etc before making informed decisions.
Forums are great but you need to be selective about whose opinions you value. Just because something is said on a forum doesn't mean it's right.

 

[kevinc250]

Thank you for not contributing to the original post whatsoever and for the lecture on how to research something ?????

what @K in Kent is trying to suggest to you is do your own research mate, have a bit of respect for people who give up their own free time to answer questions or guide you in the right direction, these are friends in the future and, by having a go at them will no doubt in the future when, you are stuck bring you no help whatsoever.
forums are wierd things sometimes, say, if one person reccomended a certain product and, if that person was well known or posted regularly then the idea would be adopted as the best thing since tetley's tbh, we are all sheep in some ways.
what one person would do in your case is not neccesarialy the right way but again, thats forums for you and i go back to @K in Kents comments,do your own research too.
before i wrote this i did a quick google for brick cleaner, simple as that, sifting through it all i found the product that i would use for those walls/bricks.
moving forward i typed in stone cleaner and all sorts came up again, sift through the rubbish and you'll find the answer and method that suits you, it depends on how much you research as to how much you learn.
i'll reiterate, people give up their free time to help others, not just on this subject but many many others, and i cannot recall in all the years i have been on this forum someone coming back with thank you's and photo's of what they have acheived with the help of people on this forum.

 

[Dave B]

Plus you also get some bad advice like use neat hypo etc from the cowboys who don’t understand chemicals so best to research yourself
4% strength would be the max I use on anything not 15%
?I’m a chlorine cowboy?
Best to understand yourself why not to use certain strengths or certain chemicals on certain jobs

 

[Baldmonkey]

what @K in Kent is trying to suggest to you is do your own research mate, have a bit of respect for people who give up their own free time to answer questions or guide you in the right direction, these are friends in the future and, by having a go at them will no doubt in the future when, you are stuck bring you no help whatsoever.
forums are wierd things sometimes, say, if one person reccomended a certain product and, if that person was well known or posted regularly then the idea would be adopted as the best thing since tetley's tbh, we are all sheep in some ways.
what one person would do in your case is not neccesarialy the right way but again, thats forums for you and i go back to @K in Kents comments,do your own research too.
before i wrote this i did a quick google for brick cleaner, simple as that, sifting through it all i found the product that i would use for those walls/bricks.
moving forward i typed in stone cleaner and all sorts came up again, sift through the rubbish and you'll find the answer and method that suits you, it depends on how much you research as to how much you learn.
i'll reiterate, people give up their free time to help others, not just on this subject but many many others, and i cannot recall in all the years i have been on this forum someone coming back with thank you's and photo's of what they have acheived with the help of people on this forum.

why should i show respect to someone who just negatively barks at me on a forum and yes thats both of you...., you have both told me now to do my research and forgive me if your a bit thick in the top hat but asking questions on a forum dedicated to the subject in question is part of research is it not?

i contribute as much as i take from this forum so dont you dare tell me to have respect when i havent been shown any myself...id prefer you just scrolled on by instead of trolling with your negative attitudes.

i asked some questions and that was it, what gives you the higher ground or moral standing in a conversation on a forum..none so please do not speak to me in that manner.

 

[Dave B]

Search “softwash wall” for example brings up loads of threads
That’s just 1 search
The amount of threads we reply to all the info is there

 

[Baldmonkey]

Search “softwash wall” for example brings up loads of threads
That’s just 1 search
The amount of threads we reply to all the info is there

Cheers dave, ill try more keyword focus searches and see what i can dig up. thanks for taking the time to post

 

[scottish cleaning service]

I paid £500 and went on Mick Conway's course and it was worth every penny. Recently I had to use neat hypo on black spot or it wouldn't release from the patio slabs. Woman asked me why I knew so much about lichen. Paid for a course on it and read about it on the internet. Money comes to knowledge so WD Gann said and I think he is correct. ?

 

[Baldmonkey]

I paid £500 and went on Mick Conway's course and it was worth every penny. Recently I had to use neat hypo on black spot or it wouldn't release from the patio slabs. Woman asked me why I knew so much about lichen. Paid for a course on it and read about it on the internet. Money comes to knowledge so WD Gann said and I think he is correct. ?

thanks for that scottish, might look into something similar , will do some research and see whats in the area

 

[ched999uk]

I fully understand why Gav changed the software as the other was very costly. I think the search facility on this software isn't as good as I can't seem to search for phrase or 'X and Y' type searches so it is more difficult than the old system to find info.

 

[kevinc250]

why should i show respect to someone who just negatively barks at me on a forum and yes thats both of you...., you have both told me now to do my research and forgive me if your a bit thick in the top hat but asking questions on a forum dedicated to the subject in question is part of research is it not?

i contribute as much as i take from this forum so dont you dare tell me to have respect when i havent been shown any myself...id prefer you just scrolled on by instead of trolling with your negative attitudes.

i asked some questions and that was it, what gives you the higher ground or moral standing in a conversation on a forum..none so please do not speak to me in that manner.

yes, i did say to do your own research, asking on a forum is a way of researching but, sometimes it doesn't bring up a more suitable answer as forums mostly promote hypo for this or hypo for that where other options are available.
barking at you?, i was trying to lean you towards maybe looking outside the forum for answers as they are not all in here.
and i wasn't taking the higher ground, i was going to guide you towards looking at muratic acid for the bricks as hypo run-off will make a proper mess of the tarmac path, sodium hydroxide in a gel form for the stone cills and maybe finish the stone off with a weak hypo mix if needed.

 

[Baldmonkey]

I know how to research from multiple sources and we could have saved all the argy bargy if you'd have just said all that in the first place.
You assumed i was usimg the forum as my only source of information, you assumed i dont contribute to this forum as well as seek information.

In future please dont help me if this is how it ends ?

 

[DaveSalford]

And they wonder why numbers are dropping on here all the time...