Are window cleaners still allowed to work during Coronavirus (Covid-19)?

[NewGuy]

Down hear taxis arnt running police are openly sending people home and that includes window cleaners and any non key workers , wether this is right or wrong I don’t know but that’s what’s happening there are road blocks every few miles , there have been a load of complaints made of the way this is being implemented but the police are saying only key workers should be traveling for work end of , if ones argue they are told go home  or face a fine and arrest  

If the police are truly doing that, then someone need to contact your local MP and get them to clarify the law to the local police. 

 

[Andrew called my Father]

I really do feel the need to comment, I know, I know, I said yesterday that I would stand back and only comment if it can be positive and result in a collective vote of acceptance, but the last couple of pages has started to deteriorate and now someone is in real danger of receiving a warning as I did. 

So be very careful and do not be like me and let your emotions rule your head and get the better of you. 

This boat, you know, the one that came from nowhere, we are all on it together. Chin up chaps, I hope I haven't offended anyone this time, I was a blighter yesterday wasn't I, silly me?

 

[Part Timer]

Blimey, is it normally like this in here?

Not usually as the troublemakers usually leave after a while. We do however appear to have "gained" a few newbies that somehow think they're morally correct to criticise others, whereas the majority either keep quiet or try and help fellow windies through this hard time. I fully expect some ?, ? and ? from said people.

 

[NewGuy]

Not usually as the troublemakers usually leave after a while. We do however appear to have "gained" a few newbies that somehow think they're morally correct to criticise others, whereas the majority either keep quiet or try and help fellow windies through this hard time. I fully expect some ?, ? and ? from said people.

I suppose this is the same for most online platforms these days.  We ought to be tolerant of all views and it's good to see the vast majority here are being respectful of others ? 

 

[Part Timer]

I suppose this is the same for most online platforms these days.  We ought to be tolerant of all views and it's good to see the vast majority here are being respectful of others ? 

This is usually why this forum stands head and shoulders above the other ones as it is moderated strictly. Hopefully everything will settle down and get back to normal, forum wise.

 

[RWCleaning]

I’ve been surprised about the amount of tradesman around here in Bournemouth. I last worked Wednesday morning, decided to take afternoon & all Thursday & Friday off. I’m probably going to work Monday but still not fully decided yet. 

Ive seen other window cleaners, A brick layer doing a wall, a painter doing the outside of a house, a guy laying artificial turf, etc. It’s a hard one. People keep saying ‘come on guys everything will be back to normal in a few weeks’ Not A Chance imo. September maybe.

Think after all this is done, we need to arrange a big punch up. Too much bottled up frustration & anger on here haha.

My advice is do whatever you & your family are comfortable with, if you can afford to take all the time off up till the end of June, till hmrc pay out then do it.
If you can’t afford it, then work very responsibly, only clean for those WHO WANT YOU TO COME, and prepare for some cancellations and maybe the odd disapproving remark. Chances are in the next few weeks the choice will probably be taken out of our hands anyway with a full 3 week complete lock down maybe?. Then we can all be on here and argue all day ?

 

[Jjamie]

So we are allowed to work then ? ????

 

[Teaboy]

Ill be honest my frustration is from not being able to work and feeling like Im being tied by rules that others arent applying

Honestly if I thought it morally right or even legal then we would be smashing it out, it was heartbreaking having to cancel all of the work for march as it would have been the best month we ever had (note none of you know my personal circumstances but this would have been a great mental milestone for us all over the last few uears)

 

[Andrew called my Father]

Not usually as the troublemakers usually leave after a while. We do however appear to have "gained" a few newbies that somehow think they're morally correct to criticise others, whereas the majority either keep quiet or try and help fellow windies through this hard time. I fully expect some ?, ? and ? from said people.

I say, are you referring to the likes of me old bean, I have only ever wanted to help people my whole life you know, please don't take an exception to that will you, just because at times the shoe does not fit......I am used to having everything my own way and expect that to continue. Please be nice to me?

 

[Teaboy]

just as a side note

1) how many people have died with no underlying conditions

2) how many of the the people that had said underlyning conditions would of died without the covid-19

I get that its bad but it hardly seems like the plague??

( Missus has asthma, my 3yr old has asthma and always struggled) I really dont know whether its the concern the media tells me it is or if its all an over reaction.

 

[Part Timer]

I say, are you referring to the likes of me old bean, I have only ever wanted to help people my whole life you know, please don't take an exception to that will you, just because at times the shoe does not fit......I am used to having everything my own way and expect that to continue. Please be nice to me?

There really is no need to apologise as your, and other, comments directed at me on here really are like water off a ducks back. Being so intelligent I would've thought you knew that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit 

 

[Pjj]

If the police are truly doing that, then someone need to contact your local MP and get them to clarify the law to the local police. 

If you look on ciu there is a guy in Plymouth who has posted txt messages from an inspector in D&c police saying non essential work should not take place , the whole of Cornwall is the same , there us also a quote from Avon and Somerset police stating the same , the police have stated non essential work should stop and ones should stay home , they are saying that  if you cannot work from home only applies to key workers , not non essential work. When you read the .giv advice I think they could be right ?.. that was how I interpreted it . 

 

[Dave B]

This is usually why this forum stands head and shoulders above the other ones as it is moderated strictly. Hopefully everything will settle down and get back to normal, forum wise.

All opinions are valid with what is going on so am holding back on the moderating as it is emotional for some people but please don't let it get too bad or we will have to step in.

 

[Andrew called my Father]

There really is no need to apologise as your, and other, comments directed at me on here really are like water off a ducks back. Being so intelligent I would've thought you knew that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit 

Good grief, you really have it in for me don't you, I am now being accused of being sarcastic, goodness me.

 

[Danfire]

Govt has said if you can't work at home, then carry on working if it's essential.  Working is essential to pay our bills.

Govt does not want the economy to stop - they want us out there and paying our taxes to help fund these grants.

They are giving the grant to the self-employed - and have said to continue working.

There are a lot of police force that are over-stepping the actual legislation.  Some of them are are misinformed, not all.

There's still a lot of uncertainties around covid-19.  Are people dying "of" covid-19, or "with" it?  Every death is recorded as a "covid-19" death simply if it's present in someone.  At this stage, we don't know much about it but the main focus is to manage the NHS and ensure it doesn't become inundated.

We can work safe by adhering to social distancing measures.

I'm working but giving my customers the choice.

Not a word about "essential" in the government literature. It's been posted on here many times, cut and paste from the government's website. Nowhere does it say "essential". Look again, "you can travel to work if you cannot work from home".

 

[Pjj]

just as a side note

1) how many people have died with no underlying conditions

2) how many of the the people that had said underlyning conditions would of died without the covid-19

I get that its bad but it hardly seems like the plague??

( Missus has asthma, my 3yr old has asthma and always struggled) I really dont know whether its the concern the media tells me it is or if its all an over reaction.

Aprox 10250 people die in this country every week , so the figures of death for  covid 19 are minuscule by comparison and yes a high percentage would probably have died soon due to there existing health conditions, I don’t want to sound callous but from a figures point of view the death rate is very small . The normal death rate per day without covid 19 is around 1464 per day 

 

[Part Timer]

just as a side note

1) how many people have died with no underlying conditions

2) how many of the the people that had said underlyning conditions would of died without the covid-19

I get that its bad but it hardly seems like the plague??

( Missus has asthma, my 3yr old has asthma and always struggled) I really dont know whether its the concern the media tells me it is or if its all an over reaction.

There is obviously a massive problem in London, SE and the other major cities, but as the main problem is in London the London based media are going over the top and spreading fear and panic countrywide. I have been saying on here for over a week that London should be on lockdown. My belief is the initial guidance of managing the peak has been forgotten, but probably missed in London, and the rest of the country would be as safe as they can be with the current guidance we have.

The nature of the beast means the majority, at some stage or another, will get it and depending on their age and health will either only get minor ailments or in the elderly and those with major health issues possibly die. This isn't said in a way to try and sound hard hearted but unfortunately the evidence elsewhere in the world suggests this will be the case. 

 

[NewGuy]

Not a word about "essential" in the government literature. It's been posted on here many times, cut and paste from the government's website. Nowhere does it say "essential". Look again, "you can travel to work if you cannot work from home".

Yep, I agree - my mistake!

 

[Andrew called my Father]

Aprox 10250 people die in this country every week , so the figures of death for  covid 19 are minuscule by comparison and yes a high percentage would probably have died soon due to there existing health conditions, I don’t want to sound callous but from a figures point of view the death rate is very small . The normal death rate per day without covid 19 is around 1464 per day 

Have to agree with you on the figures and I too have wrestled with the same thoughts having looked at the statistics, but the pictures coming out of Italy and Spain right now, including the demise of 44 doctors in Italy alone yesterday, make me realise that something is very wrong,very wrong indeed. But I do see your point.

 

[Tormato]

Do you think the world's governments would close the planet down, tank the economy by trillions, kill whole industries, build hospitals and morgues in days on a whim? 

The penny dropped with me when I saw the infection potential in any population 60/80% rather than 12/15% in a normal round of flu. That makes the numbers staggering, this creates an impossible treatment load for any health system in any country.

The death toll in Italy is over 9000 so far, and despite the most extreme mitigating measures employed in modern times in Europe against a pandemic. Over ten percent of cases are resulting in death in Italy, the highest anywhere. What would the death toll be without the lockdown? Unfortunately we might be about to find out from the US and UK what results from less strict measures than those applied in Italy and Spain. It is nothing like seasonal flu.

 

[Pjj]

Have to agree with you on the figures and I too have wrestled with the same thoughts having looked at the statistics, but the pictures coming out of Italy and Spain right now, including the demise of 44 doctors in Italy alone yesterday, make me realise that something is very wrong,very wrong indeed. But I do see your point.

I want to stress Ime not being uncaring by what I have said but if you just look at the figures the death rate is very low , unfortunately a lot of nhs workers do have underlying health issues as well as the rest of the population and if they are exposed to covid 19 they are at a high risk of getting it and dying ,this is what we are seeing happening, my oldest daughter is a paramedic and suffers from asthma but is still working and in the covid 19 wards several times a day delivering new patients !,,,,,