gardner replacment pole sections

[tench0771]

i was looking at replacment sections for my extreme22, and wile pondering over hole new pole in 6 months or replace the top to sections and keep it going for a nother year, i saw its more expencive to replace sections, im not knocking gardners as there a top compney and make very good poles,  but it seems a bit  :1f4a9:  that your beta off just buying a complete new pole ,i was going to replace the sections but dont think i will now 

 

[spruce]

Its the old spare part pricing story. Generally its an extra inventory cost to keep spare parts in stock over an uncertain length of time.

Many years ago a Ford Escort cost 27 times the price of a new car if purchased in spare parts. This didn't include any assembly of components.

25 years ago Bosch came out with the plan the German's thought was brilliant was that a power tool would never cost more than 5 times the retail price in Germany in parts. That's just a small power tool.

But looking at Gardiners pricing, a replacement Extreme is £505 + VAT. None of the sections are over £100 + VAT. If you were going to replace 2 sections and the other 2 sections were good then that's a saving. You would only need a couple of replacement clamps, a new brush head and a Quikloq a/d for a 'new' pole.

Personally, my SLX22 is not showing that much less wear on the last 2 sections. Its my everyday pole.  If I had to decide on replacing the pole or just the 2 top sections I would choose the complete new pole.

 

[dmw]

Another benefit is if you buy a new pole, then you can use your old one as a spare or for parts.

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[Iron Giant]

I hear what you are saying yesterday I paid over £220 for two series II Xtreme sections with metal bands.

 

[spruce]

I hear what you are saying yesterday I paid over £220 for two series II Xtreme sections with metal bands.

But a new pole is £606.00 including VAT.

 

[Iron Giant]

 
But a new pole is £606.00 including VAT.

You can't buy the series 2 as a complete pole now as I am sure you know, I have had to bite bullet and will purchase extra sections before they are discontinued as despite some issues the longevity and lack of wear on sections #1 & #2 compared to all carbon pole is of greater benefit to me along with reduced weight.

County Durham Lad

 

[spruce]

You can't buy the series 2 as a complete pole now as I am sure you know, I have had to bite bullet and will purchase extra sections before they are discontinued as despite some issues the longevity and lack of wear on sections #1 & #2 compared to all carbon pole is of greater benefit to me along with reduced weight.

County Durham Lad
 

Yes, I understand that. Unfortunately in this case the only comparision you have is to compare the old spares pricing with the new pole variant that's available at the time. I haven't followed the Extreme pole section pricing, but it would appear to me that Alex has reduced the selling price of these sections. From what I can see each section should cost much more than the advertised price if you compare it with the whole pole price.

Our washing machine is a Bosch one which is the best part of 8 years old. It's recently had a front bearing on the drive motor fail. As there is no one who has a press to press the small belt drive off the armature shaft so the bearing could be replaced, the only solution is a complete replacement motor. A Bosch motor is £257.00 + VAT and postage. The latest Bosch washing machine equivalent was £364.00 from Curry's including VAT. So I have to make a decision on the cost of the motor in comparision to the new model of washing machine.

In this case Bosch have priced the motor to ensure that the decision is an easy one to make when a labour fitting cost will add £80 to the total repair cost.

This isn't the full story of this washing machine btw, but it does illustrate a point about when its worth replacing the whole machine or fixing it.

In this case the labour was my own and I found a brand new replacement motor from a reputable spares supplier for £129.00 including £10 next day carriage. Before I ordered the part I checked the rotation of the drum very carefully for bearing wear and gave the whole machine a through inspection. I felt that in this case I was justified in replacing the motor.

A few weeks later the drain pump motor failed. The impellor inside the pump housing body disintegrated. So I had to order a new pump motor at another £30. Was the washing machine worth fixing? I'm not sure now but probably not. We have a perfectly working washing machine atm, but what happens next? 

If the original washing machine cost £425, then the machine cost us £53 a year. So this washing machine has to last me another 3 years to break even. (I have replaced carbon brushes twice on the previous motor but have excluded those costs as the brushes were £10 a pair.) Even if it lasts a few more years, was the cost and effort replacing those parts justified?  I haven't a conclusive answer to that question?

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[Iron Giant]

I bought the the complete pole almost 3 years ago for £350

County Durham Lad

 

[spruce]

I bought the the complete pole almost 3 years ago for £350

County Durham Lad
 

Then the pricing of those sections is probably about right when compared to that price.

But I still think the price of sections must be compared to the cost of the latest Extreme pole.

 

[Iron Giant]

I bought the the complete pole almost 3 years ago for £350

County Durham Lad

Forgot to mention that was in the sale

County Durham Lad

 

[Iron Giant]

Yes, I understand that. Unfortunately in this case the only comparision you have is to compare the old spares pricing with the new pole variant that's available at the time. I haven't followed the Extreme pole section pricing, but it would appear to me that Alex has reduced the selling price of these sections. From what I can see each section should cost much more than the advertised price if you compare it with the whole pole price.
 
Our washing machine is a Bosch one which is the best part of 8 years old. It's recently had a front bearing on the drive motor fail. As there is no one who has a press to press the small belt drive off the armature shaft so the bearing could be replaced, the only solution is a complete replacement motor. A Bosch motor is £257.00 + VAT and postage. The latest Bosch washing machine equivalent was £364.00 from Curry's including VAT. So I have to make a decision on the cost of the motor in comparision to the new model of washing machine.
In this case Bosch have priced the motor to ensure that the decision is an easy one to make when a labour fitting cost will add £80 to the total repair cost.
 
This isn't the full story of this washing machine btw, but it does illustrate a point about when its worth replacing the whole machine or fixing it.
In this case the labour was my own and I found a brand new replacement motor from a reputable spares supplier for £129.00 including £10 next day carriage. Before I ordered the part I checked the rotation of the drum very carefully for bearing wear and gave the whole machine a through inspection. I felt that in this case I was justified in replacing the motor.
A few weeks later the drain pump motor failed. The impellor inside the pump housing body disintegrated. So I had to order a new pump motor at another £30. Was the washing machine worth fixing? I'm not sure now but probably not. We have a perfectly working washing machine atm, but what happens next? 
 
If the original washing machine cost £425, then the machine cost us £53 a year. So this washing machine has to last me another 3 years to break even. (I have replaced carbon brushes twice on the previous motor but have excluded those costs as the brushes were £10 a pair.) Even if it lasts a few more years, was the cost and effort replacing those parts justified?  I haven't a conclusive answer to that question?
 
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Only issue with Bosch now is they are using cheaper components on the whole across many if not all of their products.

They make washing machines for John Lewis I think it is and they are the same inside but cheaper to buy, A mate of mine sussed it out when we he had to fix his own bosch washing machine and then his sisters from John Lewis

County Durham Lad

 

[spruce]

Only issue with Bosch now is they are using cheaper components on the whole across many if not all of their products.

They make washing machines for John Lewis I think it is and they are the same inside but cheaper to buy, A mate of mine sussed it out when we he had to fix his own bosch washing machine and then his sisters from John Lewis

County Durham Lad
 

On the white goods side it does seem that there are a lot of outside manufacturers that supply the identical product to a number of different manufacturers. This washing machine drive motor was identical in every respect to the one I took off and so was the pump motor. Its also fitted just about every model washing machine Bosch, Siemens and Miele ever made. To all intense and purposes they were all made in the same factory.

The dish washer heater element I replaced on daughter in laws Ikea dish washer was the same as used by a number of other manufacturers - Whirlpool and Hoover were 2 I can think off. (I believe that Ikea dishwasher was a relabeled Whirlpool unit anyway.)

Now I don't know the situation today but Bosch Automotive made complex electronics which both Mercedes Benz and BMW were 'forced' to source from Bosch. There was discord because M/B believed that Bosch development for their features was finding its way into BMW components as well. Of course BMW felt the same about their developments. Hence the reason why Siemens was bought by Bosch and the business split between these 2 companies operating separately from each other to stop cross fertilization.

We also know that Bosch made 2 quality levels of components. VW Audi were aways sold the top quality components and that cost them more. On the other hand Ford chose the slightly inferior quality and they paid less but believed that the quality was more than acceptable for Ford owners.