WFP vs TRAD

[Smurf]

My customers love my stick waggling as @cheapncheerful would put it. Also I have taken loads of work from trad only & even other wfp guy's for some strange reason.

 

[TolishAPurd]

My customers love my stick waggling as @cheapncheerful would put it. Also I have taken loads of work from trad only & even other wfp guy's for some strange reason.

Exactly,its swings and roundabouts. And the best method is whatever fits the house, the people, and the circumstances. If WCing was the only job I did, I would instantly go out and buy a full setup, so that way I would never have to miss out on a job just because it has a conservatory in the way of the upstairs windows. But I can't justify forking out all that money when WCing is just a bolt on service to my handyman business.

 

[cheapncheerful]

and in the end the love we make is equal to the love we take...peace be all around.....at the end of the day a windowcleaners job is to clean windows...and do so safely...however that may be ...me loves you all..peace in our time...

 

[keir]

I do both but wfp 98% nowadays, my personal opinion on my work is wfp is better.

I traded for 10 years, and 6 of those on my current round, the sills and frames have never looked better.

Wfp to me is a more comprehensive cleaning solution, when i traded i cleaned the glass and wiped the sill and thats it, whereas wfp does the job lot.

I get alot more add on's with wfp.

Over the years i have seen a hell of alot of completely useless traditional cleaners and over the last 2 years have seen a few useless wfp'ers too

Like a few have said it is completely down to the operators competence, pride in their work rather than equipment capabilities.

This argument will never die lmao

Viva la wfp /emoticons/tongue.png :rofl: :thumbsup:

 

[Smurf]

stick waggling is a no brainer for me too @keir

 

[cheapncheerful]

and of course....me being trad...i can always nip up and have a look if its good or not....coming soon...

 

[Mart1001]

It's strange, whenever I clean the top windows of a previously wfp'd house, the top sills are always covered in Algae, the corners of the pane are grubby, there's always a strange mist to the glass near the top frame and I always have to take out my scraper to remove baked on spots.

Yesterday while I was cleaning a window, a moth landed on the glass and his wings instantly bonded to the glass, I tried to save him but his wings were already disolving. That made me think of all the smaller insects, the pollen, the diesel dust and all the other general dust that would also bond to the window in the 30 minutes drying time if I was to leave the glass wet rather than dry. Wet is nasty /emoticons/smile.png Things grow in a damp atmosphere, grubs thrive in moisture, you guys can continue to kid yourselves all you like, the customers know the truth /emoticons/smile.png

I had one phone me up recently saying she was moving house and although she has a guy come with a pole thingy each month, she would like them done properly before she moves....I kid you not. Now bugger off back to your own section and talk about RO's broken poles and problems with spotting.

Semt from my armchair using tongue in cheek apples.

 

[Tuffers]

It's strange, whenever I clean the top windows of a previously wfp'd house, the top sills are always covered in Algae, the corners of the pane are grubby, there's always a strange mist to the glass near the top frame and I always have to take out my scraper to remove baked on spots.Yesterday while I was cleaning a window, a moth landed on the glass and his wings instantly bonded to the glass, I tried to save him but his wings were already disolving. That made me think of all the smaller insects, the pollen, the diesel dust and all the other general dust that would also bond to the window in the 30 minutes drying time if I was to leave the glass wet rather than dry. Wet is nasty /emoticons/smile.png Things grow in a damp atmosphere, grubs thrive in moisture, you guys can continue to kid yourselves all you like, the customers know the truth /emoticons/smile.png

I had one phone me up recently saying she was moving house and although she has a guy come with a pole thingy each month, she would like them done properly before she moves....I kid you not. Now bugger off back to your own section and talk about RO's broken poles and problems with spotting.

Semt from my armchair using tongue in cheek apples.

Do you leave spiders nests or kill them?

 

[Mart1001]

Do you leave spiders nests or kill them?

Lol......err what ?

I always try to avoid killing anything to be honest. I will normally poke it abit while soaping up to allow the spider his chance to do a super abseil jump to safety the way they do, and then before squeegee-ing, I'll use the very corner of my rubber to drag the nest out of the corner of the frame and flick it grass bound. That's the best I can do but no, I would never leave anything on a window I'm cleaning.

Mart.

 

[cheapncheerful]

yeh me do the tap the web once tap again and watch it jump thing....although some try to be different...sorry but they die...i dont want to kill them cause they make a bloomin mess..this year has seen a spider plague...

i wont leave nests etc as i have seen how fast they can throw up a web and make it look like i havent cleaned the window...

 

[RiceRocket]

I would never leave anything on a window I'm cleaning.
Mart.

Except a thin layer of soap residue /emoticons/wink.png

 

[Smurf]

That wfpers get rid of so the glass stays cleaner for longer /emoticons/biggrin.png

Except a thin layer of soap residue /emoticons/wink.png

 

[Mart1001]

Feeble myth /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Smurf]

I do know for a fact it takes me twice a long to get rid of all the old soap/dirt trapped in the seals and frames or the glass will get runs and spots because of trad window cleaners using soap /emoticons/biggrin.png

 

[Mart1001]

I do know for a fact it takes me twice a long to get rid of all the old soap/dirt trapped in the seals and frames or the glass will get runs and spots because of trad window cleaners using soap /emoticons/biggrin.png

Yea, us tradders have the same problem but I doubt it's soap...that again is just a myth dreamed up by the wfp'ers. It's called first cleaning mate, you know that. It takes an age to clean the windows the first time and then it still takes a couple of cleans before they really start to sparkle. It's like leaded windows, they buff up dull the first clean but 3 or 4 cleans down the line and they're so easy to clean, a quick wipe and they sparkle.

 

[cheapncheerful]

oh ....that may explain today then....

and so to my first official wfp job....all leads.... gota go taxi time...

 

[Smurf]

It's no myth bud as the fines of the glass, seals and frames trap soap no matter how much you use a scrim

Yea, us tradders have the same problem but I doubt it's soap...that again is just a myth dreamed up by the wfp'ers. It's called first cleaning mate, you know that. It takes an age to clean the windows the first time and then it still takes a couple of cleans before they really start to sparkle. It's like leaded windows, they buff up dull the first clean but 3 or 4 cleans down the line and they're so easy to clean, a quick wipe and they sparkle.

 

[Mart1001]

It's no myth bud as the fines of the glass, seals and frames trap soap no matter how much you use a scrim

...but it's the same old argument mate, the pretense that soap is bad. Like wfp'ers don't use soap cause it's bad. You use soap each day don't ya ? you wash your hands and face in soap, you wash your clothes in soap, you wash your dishes in soap. The real fact is, wfp'ers don't use soap because they simply can't and we know why. So rather than admit that it's a loss to them, they create all this talk of soap is bad, it creates a film, it rots seals etc. It's quite amusing really.

Take it to the test, don't wash your hair for a fortnight, let it get dirty with grease and then, wash it with water only, let it dry and then stand back in amasement when it dries in exactly the same state it was before you washed it. Now wash it with soap, let it dry and compare.

Try the same test with your jeans, stick them in the washer without soap and watch them come out exactly the same as they went in. Eat sausage egg n chips and then stick the plate in the dishwasher without soap before serving up cheesecake to a guest on the same plate. Would you clean a baby's face with a warm flannel and soapy water or, would you just squirt pure water in his face /emoticons/tongue.png

But we're talking window cleaning, it's really not that important and a wfp will do a good job and for large commercial cleaning(ie office buildings and some shop fronts) and conservatory roof cleaning, it's the correct tool but and I'll stand by this forever and a day, it certainly does not compare to getting up tight to the window and cleaning with hot soapy water by hand and there's not a chance in hell that it's actually better, which is the claim that really shakes my boat. It's safer, I'll give you that but, it can also be dangerous to do any work from the ground while you're looking at the sky and side stepping flowerpots, manholes and dogmuck, I've already found that out 3 times in the past 18 months using my pole to trad top windows, that's 3 more incidents than I've had with my ladders and I only use a pole very occasionally.

Mart.

 

[Smurf]

I think you may have missed my point about the basic cleaning technique of using a wfp as you need to scrub and rinse the frames, seals and glass very well to remove any trapped soap/chem residue and suspended dirt in the water.

I'm not trying to knock trad as I use both methods myself but before you go spouting off about wfp maybe you should try it and learn how it's done properly as is not just the case of waggling a stick about as @cheapncheerful would put it./emoticons/biggrin.png

...but it's the same old argument mate, the pretense that soap is bad. Like wfp'ers don't use soap cause it's bad. You use soap each day don't ya ? you wash your hands and face in soap, you wash your clothes in soap, you wash your dishes in soap. The real fact is, wfp'ers don't use soap because they simply can't and we know why. So rather than admit that it's a loss to them, they create all this talk of soap is bad, it creates a film, it rots seals etc. It's quite amusing really.
Take it to the test, don't wash your hair for a fortnight, let it get dirty with grease and then, wash it with water only, let it dry and then stand back in amasement when it dries in exactly the same state it was before you washed it. Now wash it with soap, let it dry and compare.

Try the same test with your jeans, stick them in the washer without soap and watch them come out exactly the same as they went in. Eat sausage egg n chips and then stick the plate in the dishwasher without soap before serving up cheesecake to a guest on the same plate. Would you clean a baby's face with a warm flannel and soapy water or, would you just squirt pure water in his face /emoticons/tongue.png

But we're talking window cleaning, it's really not that important and a wfp will do a good job and for large commercial cleaning(ie office buildings and some shop fronts) and conservatory roof cleaning, it's the correct tool but and I'll stand by this forever and a day, it certainly does not compare to getting up tight to the window and cleaning with hot soapy water by hand and there's not a chance in hell that it's actually better, which is the claim that really shakes my boat. It's safer, I'll give you that but, it can also be dangerous to do any work from the ground while you're looking at the sky and side stepping flowerpots, manholes and dogmuck, I've already found that out 3 times in the past 18 months using my pole to trad top windows, that's 3 more incidents than I've had with my ladders and I only use a pole very occasionally.

Mart.

 

[cheapncheerful]

gotta be the hottest post on here this one....Mart1001....dont you sleep....2.51am post time...yawn...

yesterday was my very very first outing as a stick waggler...

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so how did it go....more to follow....

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[Tuffers]

As the saying goes 'don't knock it till you've tried it.' Leaded lights and georgians are a dream to WFP. No corners missed, frame around the small panes done at the same time and the glass sparkles! CNC will tell you this when he does his leaded or georgian.