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We've been doing some data digging as we were quite interested to see where window cleaners earn the most in the country, and we've come back with some quite interesting results. If you read the article you can see who came out top. Now of course this is all based on the data that we have, but do you think it's a fair shout? Love to hear your thoughts on this?

 

https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2019/09/where-do-window-cleaners-earn-most-in-uk/

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Wind o kleen

Quick guess , I would say wher PJJ lives 🤪

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steve garwood

What did you start this topic for? 

You’ll have certain members on here now boasting and waffling how much they ‘reckon’ they earn.

I never discuss my earnings, think it makes you look a pompous bellend in my opinion 👍🙂

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Iron Giant

I think some fibbing has already gone on one way or the other, on average a sole trader is doing over 100k a year any where in the UK isn't believable, unless they have franchised their business but that's not one person it's multiple people and multiple vans which have increased his/her turnover, @steve garwood I really thought you would be earning more down near London 😃

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Pjj
6 hours ago, Wind o kleen said:

Quick guess , I would say wher PJJ lives 🤪

 

 

We have very little competition there arnt that many window cleaners hear having said that we do work in a number of places over the country if the price is right we will travel anywhere. I am amazed at how low some people value there services on hear , some of the prices they charge they would be better if stacking shelves in Tesco they would earn more . According to green pro  you can charge very similar prices all over the country , Ime not saying that that you can or cannot but if you do t try you will never improve your earnings , but again some seam happy to earn £10 per hour cleaning windows  others expect to earn £40 - 80 per hour not all jobs will bring in the same hourly rate we do have some underpriced work and we do have some very well paying jobs , but what one thinks is good money others will think it’s poor , I feel sorry for @Part Timer he seams to struggle to get good priced jobs where he is , but overall I think he does ok money wise , our commercial work pays very well I wish I could get more of it but we are limited with the amount of large buildings where I am ,if I could I wouldn’t do anything else . 

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dazmond

another post on another forum also put some window cleaners on over £100,000 a year!as much as a british airways airline pilot!🙄

 

i think for your average sole trader window cleaner itll be around 20k-30k a year(80%)......scotland,north west,north east england.....

 

some will be earning between £40k-£50k a year(15%)north west(cheshire),wirral,ellesmere port....

 

and a few will be in the £50k-£60k bracket....(5%).....london and the south east......

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steve garwood
1 hour ago, Iron Giant said:

I think some fibbing has already gone on one way or the other, on average a sole trader is doing over 100k a year any where in the UK isn't believable, unless they have franchised their business but that's not one person it's multiple people and multiple vans which have increased his/her turnover, @steve garwood I really thought you would be earning more down near London 😃

I do ok thank you. Just don’t need to boast unlike others 👍

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Chris33

Consensus on other groups are top 3 are money laundering areas lol that's a massive ask to make these amounts as a sole trader never mind these being the averages per area..taking into account newbys and part times. I dont think this is genuinely realistic at all therefore I am out

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Pjj
8 hours ago, Simply Business said:

We've been doing some data digging as we were quite interested to see where window cleaners earn the most in the country, and we've come back with some quite interesting results. If you read the article you can see who came out top. Now of course this is all based on the data that we have, but do you think it's a fair shout? Love to hear your thoughts on this?

 

https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2019/09/where-do-window-cleaners-earn-most-in-uk/

 

 

I don’t believe those figures at all totally ridiculous 

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THL4KEL

They probably got the Leicester figure of someone of the FB window cleaning page..

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scottish cleaning service

Next thing they will be digging is in graveyards to see how much a gravedigger earns.

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Damo
1 hour ago, dazmond said:

another post on another forum also put some window cleaners on over £100,000 a year!as much as a british airways airline pilot!🙄

 

i think for your average sole trader window cleaner itll be around 20k-30k a year(80%)......scotland,north west,north east england.....

 

some will be earning between £40k-£50k a year(15%)north west(cheshire),wirral,ellesmere port....

 

and a few will be in the £50k-£60k bracket....(5%).....london and the south east......

 Turnover or profit ?

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Part Timer
2 hours ago, Pjj said:

feel sorry for @Part Timer he seams to struggle to get good priced jobs where he is , but overall I think he does ok money wise

Don't feel sorry for me, currently sitting in a bar in Newmarket and £915 worth of work to do tomorrow. Will be on site at 8 and be back in the bar by 6. 

Anyone that thinks grossing £50 an hour is under selling themselves must live in an area that is far better than the vast majority of Windies on here. 

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Neil.. Lancashire

Worrying about who's earning what around your area will only make you not happy with what your getting and make your working day drag. The longer you have been in business the better you should be doing either money wise or getting rid of the shite jobs you never liked.

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Clisty1989

I tend to aim for 40 a hour,  but it rarely happens, if your rounds really compact then its easily achievable, but compact rounds come with time, id hazard a guess and say 1st 6 months 10-15 an hour, 6-12 months 20 an hour 1-3 years 30ph and so on, before expenses, tax etc. Tbh i couldn't care less what everyone earns, as long as i can pay the bills, and have some left over for a holiday, days out, celebrations etc im happy. 

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Master Jedi Alejandro
10 hours ago, Simply Business said:

We've been doing some data digging as we were quite interested to see where window cleaners earn the most in the country, and we've come back with some quite interesting results. If you read the article you can see who came out top. Now of course this is all based on the data that we have, but do you think it's a fair shout? Love to hear your thoughts on this?

 

https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2019/09/where-do-window-cleaners-earn-most-in-uk/

52 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

Don't feel sorry for me, currently sitting in a bar in Newmarket and £915 worth of work to do tomorrow. Will be on site at 8 and be back in the bar by 6. 

Anyone that thinks grossing £50 an hour is under selling themselves must live in an area that is far better than the vast majority of Windies on here. 

Pfft, I work 4 days a month and turn over £55K AFTER expenses and taxes! AND I take a 2 hour lunch breaks. You guys are ALL doing something well wrong!

 

Now if you excuse me I’ve got a date with Scarlett Johansson in the centre of a live volcano. It’s very exclusive! 

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Part Timer
17 minutes ago, Master Jedi Alejandro said:

Pfft, I work 4 days a month and turn over £55K AFTER expenses and taxes! AND I take a 2 hour lunch breaks. You guys are ALL doing something well wrong!

 

Now if you excuse me I’ve got a date with Scarlett Johansson in the centre of a live volcano. It’s very exclusive! 

My figures are correct, where I live my best day, for 2 of us is £430. People throw numbers around saying this that and the other. I will only quote numbers I achieve and advise people what I think is achievable, if others can get twice as much as me then fair play to them. 

I can get a fully qualified auto electrician to my door for £50 for 2 hours so if I can get £50 an hour then I'm not under selling myself 

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dazmond
1 hour ago, Damo said:

 Turnover or profit ?

turnover

1 hour ago, Part Timer said:

Don't feel sorry for me, currently sitting in a bar in Newmarket and £915 worth of work to do tomorrow. Will be on site at 8 and be back in the bar by 6. 

Anyone that thinks grossing £50 an hour is under selling themselves must live in an area that is far better than the vast majority of Windies on here. 

are you an alcoholic window cleaner then?lots of us are........

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Master Jedi Alejandro
25 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

My figures are correct, where I live my best day, for 2 of us is £430. People throw numbers around saying this that and the other. I will only quote numbers I achieve and advise people what I think is achievable, if others can get twice as much as me then fair play to them. 

I can get a fully qualified auto electrician to my door for £50 for 2 hours so if I can get £50 an hour then I'm not under selling myself 

Exactly! Even £20 an hour is still gonna make you a lot more than minimum wage after expenses. I know good guys grafting away 5 long days a week for £8.50 an hour to feed their family. So really I don’t think we have much to compain about!

25 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

My figures are correct, where I live my best day, for 2 of us is £430. People throw numbers around saying this that and the other. I will only quote numbers I achieve and advise people what I think is achievable, if others can get twice as much as me then fair play to them. 

I can get a fully qualified auto electrician to my door for £50 for 2 hours so if I can get £50 an hour then I'm not under selling myself 

Exactly! Even £20 an hour is still gonna make you a lot more than minimum wage after expenses. I know good guys grafting away 5 long days a week for £8.50 an hour to feed their family. So really I don’t think we have much to compain about!

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Bart90
1 hour ago, Clisty1989 said:

I tend to aim for 40 a hour,  but it rarely happens, if your rounds really compact then its easily achievable, but compact rounds come with time, id hazard a guess and say 1st 6 months 10-15 an hour, 6-12 months 20 an hour 1-3 years 30ph and so on, before expenses, tax etc. Tbh i couldn't care less what everyone earns, as long as i can pay the bills, and have some left over for a holiday, days out, celebrations etc im happy. 

I don't know how everyone else works out their definition of hourly rate, but I consider my hourly rate my 'on job' time, so if I clock on at a job and and leave half an hour later, aiming for say £40ph, I'd want £20.  But it obviously gets watered down with travel,lunch, etc through the day + all the behind the scenes hours that go into running a business.  

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Pjj
2 minutes ago, Master Jedi Alejandro said:

Exactly! Even £20 an hour is still gonna make you a lot more than minimum wage after expenses. I know good guys grafting away 5 long days a week for £8.50 an hour to feed their family. So really I don’t think we have much to compain about!

 

 

Each to there own but but you arnt going to make a living earning £20 per hour and take your expenses out of that you have to take into account replacing worn out equipment some of our poles cost 3k , vans need replacing , maintaining etc water bills , insurances , just tk scratch the surface this is why so many one man bands don’t last more than a few months as they have a buisness plan that’s set to fail before they have evan started , I don’t think many people earn as little as £8.50 as employees , even Tesco are paying far more than that for stacking shelves , I understand that there are some areas where it’s difficult to earn a reasonable wage and I do feel sorry for ones in this situation , but if going self employed I think the minimum you need to try and achieve is £30 per hour , this might sound a lot and it is £1170 for a 39 hour week ,but most don’t want to work 39 hours , I know several that work between 20-25 hours a week , it’s not about working harder it’s working smarter that’s why we all run our own buisness isn’t it ?? I want to earn the maximum amount of money for the least amount of time and effort , and Ime not greedy don’t rip people off and Ime not lazy , that’s just the way I want to live my life there is more to life than work , but we all need money to live .

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Part Timer
50 minutes ago, dazmond said:

turnover

are you an alcoholic window cleaner then?lots of us are........

No, never lost a days work in my life due to drink, 39 years working. Like a pint or 10 but would never jeopardize a days graft with a heavy night before. 

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Tango
3 hours ago, Pjj said:

I don’t think many people earn as little as £8.50 as employees , even Tesco are paying far more than that for stacking shelves ,

 

As somebody earning £8.30 an hour at my part time employment I'll totally disagree with you on that.

 

I work for a national retailer, if i was stacking shelves i'd be happy. I frequently move entire pallets of heavy goods by hand using a pump truck... with a pallet full of goods weighing 16kg per box - with 50 boxes on the pallet. Yes, 800kg and that's one of our lighter pallets. They wobble around like hell 20ft up in the air on the forklift which I also operate on the shop floor when we're closed - yes, high risk for less than you think people are earning.

 

The worst part is then having to unload those pallets of goods and restack them on the shop floor. I'm one of the lucky ones - there's plenty of jobs out there that pay LESS! Once you've escaped the rock bottom salary bracket you tend to stop noticing those on lower salaries (trust me i did earn more years ago) though hence I suspect this is what lead to your comment.

 

But I like working there despite it negatively affecting my health, i have friends and colleagues there that mean a lot to me - something working alone on the glass doesn't do for me.

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Simply Business
15 hours ago, Iron Giant said:

I think some fibbing has already gone on one way or the other, on average a sole trader is doing over 100k a year any where in the UK isn't believable, unless they have franchised their business but that's not one person it's multiple people and multiple vans which have increased his/her turnover, @steve garwood I really thought you would be earning more down near London 😃

 

A note on our data – when we ask businesses to enter their turnover they choose it in bands, for example £25,000-£49,999, £50,000-£74,999, and so on. When calculating the average turnover, we’ve used the lower figure of these bands. Each of these regions had more than 30 requests for an online quote in 2018

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Pjj
7 hours ago, Tango said:

 

As somebody earning £8.30 an hour at my part time employment I'll totally disagree with you on that.

 

I work for a national retailer, if i was stacking shelves i'd be happy. I frequently move entire pallets of heavy goods by hand using a pump truck... with a pallet full of goods weighing 16kg per box - with 50 boxes on the pallet. Yes, 800kg and that's one of our lighter pallets. They wobble around like hell 20ft up in the air on the forklift which I also operate on the shop floor when we're closed - yes, high risk for less than you think people are earning.

 

The worst part is then having to unload those pallets of goods and restack them on the shop floor. I'm one of the lucky ones - there's plenty of jobs out there that pay LESS! Once you've escaped the rock bottom salary bracket you tend to stop noticing those on lower salaries (trust me i did earn more years ago) though hence I suspect this is what lead to your comment.

 

But I like working there despite it negatively affecting my health, i have friends and colleagues there that mean a lot to me - something working alone on the glass doesn't do for me.

 

 

Sorry if I have upset or offended you that certainly wasn’t my intention , but I have friends that work for Tesco’s shelf stacking that are on between £12-15  per hour depending what shifts they work , it sound s to me like where you work they take advantage of there staff , I would have thought Kent would pay much better wages than that . When you are established in window cleaning and have a good round  it’s very easy to earn decent money but it does take time and effort weeding out the time wasters , but you also need to set realistic targets £30 per hour is in my experience  the minimum you can afford to work for , taking all expenses into account, this might sound a lot but really it’s  very easy to do that if your pricing is ok on jobs , working with a car and back pack I think that’s what you are doing ?? It will be a lot harder as the time taken will be more but try and get a van mount when you can afford it this will make all the ditto speed and earning potential, I started off with a Renault Clio and a ladder and bucket so I know what it’s like to struggle, wfp is so much easier , just keep plugging away and you will get there , we are all different with what we want and need to earn , ime not boasting but what I have said about the earn per hour comes from 20 years doing the job and seeing many fail beacause they were not doing enough hourly rate . I was a sprayer panel beater earning around £5 per hour at the time , when I started window cleaning I was on £14 per hour and thought it was great but I quickly realised that going from being employed to self employed it was no ware near enough to cover all the expenses, this can only be understood when you have done it . I am sure where you live it can be done good luck and don’t let the problems you are facing now put you off . 

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Tango

You didn't upset me mate lol - sorry if you got that impression, i was merely pointing out that there are many employers who still pay as little as possible.

 

I do know someone working nights at Tescos who's quite happy with his hourly rate. I would if i could but can't - got a kid and a missus with a complicated rota hence the self employment / WC route but after the hassle spotless have caused I can't see there being much point in it.

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Pjj
4 minutes ago, Tango said:

You didn't upset me mate lol - sorry if you got that impression, i was merely pointing out that there are many employers who still pay as little as possible.

 

I do know someone working nights at Tescos who's quite happy with his hourly rate. I would if i could but can't - got a kid and a missus with a complicated rota hence the self employment / WC route but after the hassle spotless have caused I can't see there being much point in it.

 

 

The situation with spotless is a nightmare I agree but hopefully it will get sorted ASAP , stick with it ime sure you can make a go of it  any new venture is going to have challenges and learning curves , I had the same situation when I started , I accept I have minimal competition but now 20 years on I have three vans and 6 guys flat out all the time again that’s not boasting but just showing what can be done , ime not interested in building an empire , and in the next year or two ime hoping to be cutting back to just one van and selling a load of work off as I want to be doing less  work . 

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Damo
19 hours ago, dazmond said:

turnover

 

I take it those figures are just you own guesses? As my franchisees in the first year are grossing a minimum of 45,000k with the longest standing franchisee looking at VAT registration next year. 

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Chris34

I'm well into my first year, I price my work at £35 per hour, £50 per hour for one off's.  Like somebody else said the rates are just when you're on the job, the second you're not on the job you're not earning anything.  So 3 hours of work might take 4.5 hours of the day, add to that set-up time at the end of the day, quotes, paperwork etc all waters down your true hourly rate.

 

I think £35 an hour is fair but I do drop to £30 if it ensures I get the job.  Over time I expect my work to be more compact, I'll be a few minutes faster here and there and be in a position to drop the rubbish time consuming jobs which will mean I can do 5 hours work in 5 hours.  

 

Being in business should be about earning as much money as you can.  Having ran a online retail business that never properly got established I can say that you have to make hay while the sun shines.  I wasted 7 years of my life with that business and have got nothing to show for it other than a life lesson.  If you can earn £100 per hour you should charge it, you don't know what's around the corner.  You could break your back or something like that...  It's not about what's fair and not fair, it's about setting yourself up so that you and your family never ever fall on hard times ever again and just get on with enjoying your life without the money worries. 

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dazmond
On 10/09/2019 at 17:27, Damo said:

 

I take it those figures are just you own guesses? As my franchisees in the first year are grossing a minimum of 45,000k with the longest standing franchisee looking at VAT registration next year. 

i remember a few years back you said you struggled to even get to £200 a day on your own some days.....somethings changed then!👍

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