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Kurtis

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Kurtis

I’m currently spending 30-40 seconds at least 10 times a day untangling my pole hose.

It does my head in and longs out my day.

How do I stop it? Are there any tips/tricks I’m missing?

Is it just a case of getting a different hose?

Im currently just using the ‘8mm all season hose’ that came with my gardiner brush as I thought these were meant to be good?

 

thanks for any help

(the hose and pole are relatively new btw)

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Haychh

Grab the tail end and stretch it out to the limit now twizzle it around in the angle it is twisted in amd your pole hose is straight within seconds..

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Pjj

Go to a tubless set up  , no more tangles or coiling up hose to put back into the van so much quicker and easier 

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windowgleamtrowbridge
53 minutes ago, Pjj said:

Go to a tubless set up  , no more tangles or coiling up hose to put back into the van so much quicker and easier 

I've heard this mentioned before. But what the hell is tubless? I cant seem to find anything about it...

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wezza13

I’ve never had that problem with that hose and we use it all the time. But we do keep it on a hose reel which keeps it in good condition. 
 

I tried tubeless a while back and didn’t like it at all. Fitting kept getting caught on the end of the pole and caused problems.

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TWC

Firstly I’d submerge it all in a bucket of boiling water then stretch it out as far as you can with a weight at each end and let it cool. That’ll get it straight to start but will start to do it again in use. 

I rotate the pole clockwise a couple of times when I take it out the van and again before I put it back in. That seems to cure it pretty well for me. 

All hose I’ve ever used does it due to the way it’s coiled when it’s made so will try to coil back up. I currently use exceed pole hose and find it better than all season but everyone will have their favourites

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Ana

Just line it out straight and it will uncoil by itself, I do this each afternoon when I'm finsihed for the day to keep the kinks at bay.

 

Going hoseless is another option tho  

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Iron Giant

@Kurtis just done't let it get that bad, as soon as my has a small amount of twisting in it I just un-twist it takes about 10 seconds, you maybe twisting your pole as you extend and collapse sections which will result in the pole hose twisting, also place it in the van in big coils after each job(s) and each working day. 

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Pjj
11 hours ago, windowgleamtrowbridge said:

I've heard this mentioned before. But what the hell is tubless? I cant seem to find anything about it...

  This is a tubeless set up pole hose is fixed in the top section of the pole then the rest is connected to your hose reel with a release fitting that connects to the male fitting on the pole end hope this makes sense , works so much better , you won’t get disconnections if it’s done properly but if you have a hose tail out of the pole than it will disconnect when extending the pole 

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Kurtis
28 minutes ago, HWCS said:

 

That’s great. Definitely going to look at doing this for mine. I assume I can get the adapters from any cleaning warehouse? 
Thanks a lot

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Pjj
4 hours ago, HWCS said:

 

 

 

The problem doing it this way every time you extend the pole it is very very likely to disconnect it’s self  

3 hours ago, Kurtis said:

That’s great. Definitely going to look at doing this for mine. I assume I can get the adapters from any cleaning warehouse? 
Thanks a lot

Doing it this way he only uses reclusive 21 fittings without an ejector sleeve it is highly likely it will disconnect when you extend the pole as the tail catches when you extend it ,been there and done that now use the proper fitting and it works well   

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Kurtis
4 minutes ago, Pjj said:

 

 

The problem doing it this way every time you extend the pole it is very very likely to disconnect it’s self  

Doing it this way he only uses reclusive 21 fittings without an ejector sleeve it is highly likely it will disconnect when you extend the pole as the tail catches when you extend it ,been there and done that now use the proper fitting and it works well   

Ah ok I get ya.

You’re saying it’s better if the connector is inside the pole at all times?

So how much pole hose do you use then? Is it literally just a couple of inches??

Also doesn’t this make it difficult to connect and disconnect??

thanks

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Pjj
9 minutes ago, Kurtis said:

Ah ok I get ya.

You’re saying it’s better if the connector is inside the pole at all times?

So how much pole hose do you use then? Is it literally just a couple of inches??

Also doesn’t this make it difficult to connect and disconnect??

thanks

 

 

Hopefully the pictures are self explanitary ,any questions just ask , I have about 30 meters of pole hose on the end of the microbore that will then feed up into the pole , you dont have to use that much but we do a lot of high stuff so need it . Doing it this way the hose will not disconnect when extending the pole ,you need the ejected sleeve you can buy them from exceed Inovation or wcw .

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CHWS

Personally I would bin that pole hose. My Gardiner pole hose done the exact same. You need to go tubeless and when it coils you disconnect and reel in and the coils become undone

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Jango

If I were you, I would change that pole hose, Gardiner stuff is excellent apart from that. I have a reel in my garage, worst thing I’ve ever bought. 
You could do what Pjj has said hose less, or they say the green pole hose from gardiner is much better. I’m about to change mine over the weekend. I have tried all the ideas and mine is exactly like yours. 

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Pjj
6 minutes ago, Jango said:

If I were you, I would change that pole hose, Gardiner stuff is excellent apart from that. I have a reel in my garage, worst thing I’ve ever bought. 
You could do what Pjj has said hose less, or they say the green pole hose from gardiner is much better. I’m about to change mine over the weekend. I have tried all the ideas and mine is exactly like yours. 

 

 

Pole hose  wise we use gardiners green pu , exceed Inovation blue , and ionics orange they are all very good but once my current sticks are used up I will be switching to Gardiners green pu .

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clearview

I use x-line orange pole hose and mines never done that before. 

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Bwfc

Best pole hose Telescopik lasts about a year

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Ana

I've used rectus fittings for hoseless cleaning, never had a issue with it disconnecting from pulling time and again. Saying that you'd probably be better with a dedicated hoseless connector but had zero issues with cheap rectus ones.

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dazmond
20 hours ago, Kurtis said:

I’m currently spending 30-40 seconds at least 10 times a day untangling my pole hose.

It does my head in and longs out my day.

How do I stop it? Are there any tips/tricks I’m missing?

Is it just a case of getting a different hose?

Im currently just using the ‘8mm all season hose’ that came with my gardiner brush as I thought these were meant to be good?

 

thanks for any help

(the hose and pole are relatively new btw)

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ive never twisted my pole hose like that in 10 years of WFP....i use PU pole hose and hot water...this will solve most of these types of problems..i do occasionally get mine twisted but it takes seconds to unravel it.....also when im driving to my next job i disconnect my pole hose from my reel(because ive got a diesel heater i plug the reel hose back into the return valves to keep the heater running).....this helps a lot to prevent it...

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scottish cleaning service
1 hour ago, dazmond said:

ive never twisted my pole hose like that in 10 years of WFP....i use PU pole hose and hot water...this will solve most of these types of problems..i do occasionally get mine twisted but it takes seconds to unravel it.....also when im driving to my next job i disconnect my pole hose from my reel(because ive got a diesel heater i plug the reel hose back into the return valves to keep the heater running).....this helps a lot to prevent it...

 

I just put the pole in the back of van and keep the pump and heater on. Would I be better to disconnect and reconnect into the return valve?

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dazmond
16 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

 

I just put the pole in the back of van and keep the pump and heater on. Would I be better to disconnect and reconnect into the return valve?

my heater would shut down if i didnt connect it to my return valve as i only have one pump not 2.....its a 9kw one man system...if you have a second pump diverting water back to the tank then you dont have to do this.

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Pjj
22 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

 

I just put the pole in the back of van and keep the pump and heater on. Would I be better to disconnect and reconnect into the return valve?

 

 

Yes 

1 minute ago, dazmond said:

my heater would shut down if i didnt connect it to my return valve as i only have one pump not 2.....its a 9kw one man system...if you have a second pump diverting water back to the tank then you dont have to do this.

But if you don’t there is no circulation in that reel and it looses heat , if you plug it into tank return as soon as you get to the next job the water is piping hot straight away 

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Davy G

Every kink is put into the hose by us, the user. A kink is simply the later stage of a twist or several twists. These are usually caused by us habitually turning the same way, clockwise or anticlockwise at the van, trolley or house. I always look back along the hose during the last few paces back to the van. Depending on which way it's twisted. I count the twists and twist the pole the same number of times in the opposite way. Sounds complicated. It's not, I do it semi-automatically every time I stow the pole. Takes very few seconds and eliminates all twists before they become kinks.

 

Hoseless : speak to Sam at Ex-ceed Innovations. He will put you right and send you a drawing on how it goes together. I'd combine it with a Univalve (Sam again). I would use enough pole hose outside the pole to go the full length of the extended pole plus at least about twenty feet to the reel hose. I joined the two hoses at the reel hose with a straight double ended brass barb, with Gorilla Glue on the barbs and two compression rings on each side (so four in total), this is very secure and fits easily under most gates so that I can close them on the way back to the van. . Or you could use Slick-Connect, again speak to Sam. 🙂

 

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Rickadoo

I usually disconnect the pole hose from the reel after each job. I find it makes it easier to wind the reel in and it stops the buildup of twists in the pipe. 

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Stevieboy

Why so much pole hose??? You only need enough to extend your pole fully plus a little bit more. Not excess amount. Have the connection between your reel hose and pole hose close to you as possible. Easier to pull round corners and unsnap. 

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Kurtis

Thanks for everyone’s help.

I think I’m definitely going to go tubeless with the exceed innovation kit. For £45 it’s worth a try. (I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before). I bet there are so many other little tricks/bits and pieces that people do that I don’t know about lol.

 

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wezza13
24 minutes ago, Kurtis said:

Thanks for everyone’s help.

I think I’m definitely going to go tubeless with the exceed innovation kit. For £45 it’s worth a try. (I can’t believe I’d never heard of it before). I bet there are so many other little tricks/bits and pieces that people do that I don’t know about lol.

 

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If this is guaranteed to not disconnect when extending the pole, I may have to buy the kit.

 

Please let us know how you get on with it.

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