Anyone used Ionics?

[Bell Pallisey]

All these crash tests are likely rigged to look good . A few years ago i had a bad fall when using rubber laddermats [slid out on me ] i alerted the maker to the fail of his design and initially he tried to buy my silence [under 30 quid ]then produced literature that proved his design was tested independantly to be safe.Even a novice could see these were trumped up tests . I alert anyone i see online talking about rubbermat yet he still sells rubber safety products including replacement rubber ladder feet now theyre lethal who knows how many have died ???

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

What's your definition of diy system?

In this context a system install by oneself (ratchet straps) or even by a professional who doesn’t tend to deal with these sorts of things. A number of folk go to mechanics, coach builders etc and get a tank made and installed. That’s a lot better than straps, but as I mentioned further down, the forces involved means an improperly designed or installed tank frame can easily give way.

 

[Pjj]

All these crash tests are likely rigged to look good . A few years ago i had a bad fall when using rubber laddermats [slid out on me ] i alerted the maker to the fail of his design and initially he tried to buy my silence [under 30 quid ]then produced literature that proved his design was tested independantly to be safe.Even a novice could see these were trumped up tests . I alert anyone i see online talking about rubbermat yet he still sells rubber safety products including replacement rubber ladder feet now theyre lethal who knows how many have died ???

Crash testing of system is totally independent and done by thatcham there is no way that it’s rigged

 

[Bell Pallisey]

Crash testing of system is totally independent and done by thatcham there is no way that it’s rigged

.When you are the ones paying for the test its open for the results to be bent.I forget now the name of the independant safety test firm that tested Laddermat but they were obviously fudging the tests . Iv not looked into van/water tank crash testing but if it was truly independant it would be at least at 50mph and why not 70? if it is only 30mph ask yourself why so slow? thats the slowest that could be "got away with"

Years back there used to be BS british Standard for a lot of stuff,proper testing no longer sadly

 

[spruce]

Years back there used to be BS british Standard for a lot of stuff,proper testing no longer sadly

Back in my South African days all imported Bosch Power Tools had to be tested by the SABS (South African Bureau of Standards).
A certificate of compliance was then issued. It was only then that we were allowed to sell them.
In the early 1980's we took the new model into the SABS in Pretoria and they tested it; for radio interference. The tools were especially prepared samples that were sent across from Germany before the main shipment; there was no way they would fail. The carbon brushes were well bedded in, and the brushes received a light coating of 'oil' to ensure that the tool passed the test. That test was expense and if a power tool failed, then a retest cost as much again.
Obviously, every power tool that was then sold on the market didn't receive the same stringent care in production the test sample did.

In the years preceding them getting test samples, they needed a random test sample from our arriving stock. This was inconvenient. What happens if a tool fails, and we have a whole consignment of product we can't sell in our stores in Johannesburg?

Then in the early 1990's, I was invited into a meeting at the Bureau. They suggested that I didn't have to provide a test sample any longer. I needed to supply a copy of the German test certificate, and they would issue a certificate of compliance on the back of that. It wouldn't cost as much, either.

Now here's my point; When a manufacturer says they sell a crash tested system, all it means that the design and manufacturer of the system provided a test sample and that sample was crash tested and passed the test. I would doubt this was a random sample tank and frame taken from stock. This would have been an especially manufactured frame, welded by the best welder in the shop at the time.

The Stainless Steel tank frame PureFreedom sell today is slightly different in design to the one of a few years back. A local window cleaner in our area still has an old designed one. Has PureFreedom done a crash test on the latest frame design? I don't know. But I would ask that question if I was in the market for a new tank. What does "we sell crash tested" systems actually mean?

The saying goes that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. We all know that even the best welders can have a bad day. Could this equate to a couple of not so good welds which could compromise the integrity of the frame? It's a possibility.

I recall a forum member complaining that Ionics wouldn't fit a tank in a customer's van exactly where the customer wanted it. They said that putting it where he wanted, meant there was no proper securing points for them to secure the tank to underneath, so they wouldn't do it. I gave them a thumbs up for that. At the time, I did ask myself how many less experience fitters would have done the job and just used spreader plates. Many years ago, one of Brodex's dealers fitted a flat tank into a Vauxhall Combo and secured the frame with large self-tapping screws. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Brodex could also have advertised that they sell crash tested systems and that their dealers have been properly trained.

 

[spruce]

I should add: the safety aspect of a crash tested system could be reduced when it is fitted to an old rusty van, a Ford Transit, for example. The van may very well not be classed as an MOT failure, but knowing how they rust, could deteriorate to soon be.

 

[francie]

Driving down on a Sunday so I can start work at 8am this morning. Driving down with my son so makes Fathers Day a father and son day

Some travelling there for work part timer,what age is hour son,does he enjoy the windows?
I'm trying to get my son out this summer for the craic,hes only 14 lol get him trained up early

 

[Part Timer]

Some travelling there for work part timer,what age is hour son,does he enjoy the windows?
I'm trying to get my son out this summer for the craic,hes only 14 lol get him trained up early

He's 38 , he enjoys the money most

 

[spruce]

He's 38 , he enjoys the money most

If not already, it won't be long when everything you do will be wrong. My son continually points out my driving and work failures.
Honestly, I don't know how I've managed to survive this long.
He thinks differently to the way I do. I tell him he will never understand a right handed person because he is left handed.

 

[P4dstar]

He's 38 , he enjoys the money most

And the peace away from the kids

 

[Part Timer]

And the peace away from the kids

I'm probably noisier then the kids, he's always away from the bar before me

 

[francie]

He's 38 , he enjoys the money most

Haha fairplay part timer

 

[HamishMcdoodle]

UPDATE:
After a back and forth communication since MAY with Ionics they suggested I travel up for them to fix it, so I went up 10th November.

We travelled up in the van and took some accommodation nearby. Spent two days staying near by whilst they sorted it.

They fixed the leaks that were caused by the hot water expanding the hose and fixed any additional minor leaks. Admitted that the van really smelled due to the water leaking.

They said that a window cleaning van will never be leak free and a bit of water should be expected.

They also took the plastics by the side door to show me how the back of the van has a false floor and they cannot stop water from going into this space and pouring flowing into my footwell.

When asked when they are going to fix there flooring, they told me that the flooring would not be something they deal with, they have fixed any leaks and if there is anything else I want them to sort, to escalate with the Managing Director who was out for that day.

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TLDR: They fixed the leaks, 2 days spent in accommodation near by, didn't fix the soggy flooring, admitted the van smelled due to the faults on the system. suggested we escalate the matter with the MD to see if he will sort the soggy flooring another time.

 

[tench0771]

my streamline heater sprung 3 leaks they dident use tape on the metal joins just some other paint on stuff that dried and cracked then started pissing water out i ended up just doing it my self some times its not worth the hassle

 

[ched999uk]

UPDATE:
After a back and forth communication since MAY with Ionics they suggested I travel up for them to fix it, so I went up 10th November.

We travelled up in the van and took some accommodation nearby. Spent two days staying near by whilst they sorted it.

They fixed the leaks that were caused by the hot water expanding the hose and fixed any additional minor leaks. Admitted that the van really smelled due to the water leaking.

They said that a window cleaning van will never be leak free and a bit of water should be expected.

They also took the plastics by the side door to show me how the back of the van has a false floor and they cannot stop water from going into this space and pouring flowing into my footwell.

When asked when they are going to fix there flooring, they told me that the flooring would not be something they deal with, they have fixed any leaks and if there is anything else I want them to sort, to escalate with the Managing Director who was out for that day.

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TLDR: They fixed the leaks, 2 days spent in accommodation near by, didn't fix the soggy flooring, admitted the van smelled due to the faults on the system. suggested we escalate the matter with the MD to see if he will sort the soggy flooring another time.

That's not a good response. I can't believe they would put it like that. Yes we might have damp brushes and cloths but there is no reason a leak can't be stopped.
In my opinion they should be fixing the 'damage' their poor installation caused. There might be electronic control units under the seats, seat belt pretensioners etc that could be rusting away!

It all needs drying out asap with a dehumidifier. I would send a polite but firm email to them saying that either they dry out and have any electrical/electronic components in the wet area inspected or you will take legal action to recover your costs of doing such.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.

 

[P4dstar]

That's not a good response. I can't believe they would put it like that. Yes we might have damp brushes and cloths but there is no reason a leak can't be stopped.
In my opinion they should be fixing the 'damage' their poor installation caused. There might be electronic control units under the seats, seat belt pretensioners etc that could be rusting away!

It all needs drying out asap with a dehumidifier. I would send a polite but firm email to them saying that either they dry out and have any electrical/electronic components in the wet area inspected or you will take legal action to recover your costs of doing such.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.

I think keeping it leak free forever might be a tough task. My vans are constantly flooded. Suddenly find water stops, check the van and something has popped and there's water pi55ing everywhere. If memory serves I believe the OP has a car derived van? This is something we need to consider when choosing a van. I certainly feel they have a level of liability here but I wonder from an insurance perspective how much liability they have. Would an insurer say that the customer has a certain level of responsibility to maintain the van, know about things such as the false floor etc and the pitfalls that may come with this? Essentially would there be a level of joint liability that the customer could have mitigated the risk. I don't know the answer but food for thought.

On a different note how did you get that "What ever I post is just my opinion and I'm not trying to tell you what to do." at the bottom of your posts. I'm jealous haha.

 

[Iron Giant]

I think keeping it leak free forever might be a tough task. My vans are constantly flooded. Suddenly find water stops, check the van and something has popped and there's water pi55ing everywhere. If memory serves I believe the OP has a car derived van? This is something we need to consider when choosing a van. I certainly feel they have a level of liability here but I wonder from an insurance perspective how much liability they have. Would an insurer say that the customer has a certain level of responsibility to maintain the van, know about things such as the false floor etc and the pitfalls that may come with this? Essentially would there be a level of joint liability that the customer could have mitigated the risk. I don't know the answer but food for thought.

On a different note how did you get that "What ever I post is just my opinion and I'm not trying to tell you what to do." at the bottom of your posts. I'm jealous haha.

You must flood your van more times than me, mine usually happens when I'm filling my tank parking on my sloping driveway thankfully it goes straight out of the back door's.

I woke up at 4.30am the other week in a panic knowing I had flooded the garage I was meant to turn the tap off 10 hours before

 

[ched999uk]

On a different note how did you get that "What ever I post is just my opinion and I'm not trying to tell you what to do." at the bottom of your posts. I'm jealous haha.

Click on your name (top right on desktop/laptop) then signature and type away . You can type what you like

 

[P4dstar]

Click on your name (top right on desktop/laptop) then signature and type away . You can type what you like

Done I think