Can i put a 400 litre tank in a van with max payload of 600 kg

[Part Timer]

The biggest problem with overloading is the vehicle body is sitting on the axles, making it uncomfortable over bumps. Put extra strength springs in the vehicle.
See Link: Reinforced coil springs

I didn't read it like that ? defo don't want to overload a van, upgrade the springs by all means if it's close to the max payload nothing wrong with that but defo never overload any vehicle because the springs the uprated springs won't save anything else going wrong and potentially someone having a fatal accident

Says it all

 

[Iron Giant]

Says it all

Would you care to elaborate ?

 

[Part Timer]

Would you care to elaborate ?

He posted the biggest problem with overloading is the vehicle body sitting on the axles and then puts a link in to upgrade the springs so it doesn't look overloaded.

 

[Iron Giant]

He posted the biggest problem with overloading is the vehicle body sitting on the axles and then puts a link in to upgrade the springs so it doesn't look overloaded.

Ahh gotcha, just when you quoted my reply as well, I wasn't sure.

Some years ago a work mate of a mate of mine decided to overload his car with bags of gravel because he didn't want to do two journeys 2 days later he told my mate that his car hadn't driven as normal since he'd got the gravel,

My mate said he was crazy for overloading and to take his car to the garage after work, needless to say it needed repairs and the mechanic told him he could have end up in an accident driving his car in the condition it was in, I can't remember what issues were but they weren't good

 

[RyeCleanLiam]

I think you are fine to proceed.
The biggest problem with overloading is the vehicle body is sitting on the axles, making it uncomfortable over bumps. Put extra strength springs in the vehicle.
See Link: Reinforced coil springs
Get the tank in the van - get out window cleaning - gather up some funds and then upgrade the van if you need at a later date.
The water level will decrease throughout the day as you clean so after 4 houses you will be 150kg-200kg less heavy.
There will be more wear and tear on the clutch but take it easy and you will be fine.
We sell water to other window cleaning companies and most of the vans are way overloaded when they leave the yard.
We have a Ford Transit Custom as one of our vans and we put extra strength spring leafs in the back as it is loaded heavy going out each day.- amazing good difference. See Portlaois Springs Ireland.

Must have the flow on 1000 to lose 150-200 litre of water after 4 houses ?

 

[Pjj]

Very irresponsible advice if you are selling water and know you are overloading a vehicle you also can be prosecuted , this is how people get killed .

 

[Base Window Cleaners]

I can’t believe Base you are saying it’s ok? No way what about if a accident happens something breaks or puncture because he is over weight total disregard for other road users the law is for a reason SAFETY

It's only 85kg overweight at the start of the day : ) Will be bang on the payload after 2-3 houses.
Or put a 325Litre tank in the van - you'll still need the springs upgraded if you are doing it day in day out.
My opinion is 'get out there and get working' and upgrade your set-up over time.
When i started years ago - I had a 325 Litre tank and it killed me when i did not have enought water to do all the jobs. Later find out the tank only really held 250 litres!

 

[Base Window Cleaners]

Very irresponsible advice if you are selling water and know you are overloading a vehicle you also can be prosecuted , this is how people get killed .

It's self service : )

 

[Base Window Cleaners]

Must have the flow on 1000 to lose 150-200 litre of water after 4 houses ?

I would say we use 50 litres or more on a semi D. No shortage of water so doesn't concern us.

 

[Pjj]

It's self service : )

Still very irresponsible encouraging ones to overload a vehicle and try and hide it with altering the suspension. Very heavy fines if you are caught , if involved in an accident it’s potentially a manslaughter charge , see this many times with overloaded vehicles.

 

[Pjj]

It's only 85kg overweight at the start of the day : ) Will be bang on the payload after 2-3 houses.
Or put a 325Litre tank in the van - you'll still need the springs upgraded if you are doing it day in day out.
My opinion is 'get out there and get working' and upgrade your set-up over time.
When i started years ago - I had a 325 Litre tank and it killed me when i did not have enought water to do all the jobs. Later find out the tank only really held 250 litres!

You won’t need the springs up rating if you run up to the max payload every day that’s what the vehicle is designed to carry . Our vans are up to the limit but ride level and have never had suspension issues or had to replaced anything except shock absorbers and we do a lot of off road driving down dirt tracks and farm lanes

 

[scottish cleaning service]

Just buy a bigger van rather than juggling balls in the air. What's the point risking your livelihood for 85 litres.

 

[ched999uk]

It's only 85kg overweight at the start of the day : )

Even 1kg can get you fined plus if you had an accident and the insurance company could prove you where over weight your insurance would be invalid!
It's just not worth the risk, while you might do it, it's best not to encourage people to break the law.

 

[dazmond]

300l tank (max) in a 600kg payload van.mine is 936kg payload and I'm just under the weight limit with 500L full tank,diesel hot water system,PF electric reel,poles,ladders,etc and me(I weigh 120kg!).

 

[pablowillpro]

I use a fiat fiorino, same as the peugeot bipper, 350l tank, 2 poles battery and reel, I probably put 300l in at a time and seems fine doesn't sink on rear axle, advertised payload is 610kg.

Hi,

Just wondering how many hours you would get out of 300l. I'm currently cleaning traditionally but I'm getting tired now, 18 years of ladders and getting busier each passing year.
I have a Courier, which has 640kg payload I believe.

Thanks for any info

 

[winkle]

Hi,

Just wondering how many hours you would get out of 300l. I'm currently cleaning traditionally but I'm getting tired now, 18 years of ladders and getting busier each passing year.
I have a Courier, which has 640kg payload I believe.

Thanks for any info

Hi , I get about 5 to 6 hrs , I keep a di vessel with me as I have a lot of friends who let me top up if I need to, I'm Currently on the look out for a bigger van though.

 

[pablowillpro]

Hi , I get about 5 to 6 hrs , I keep a di vessel with me as I have a lot of friends who let me top up if I need to, I'm Currently on the look out for a bigger van though.

Thanks for the info. I would have to use a filling station as I can't make pure at home. I would like a tank big enough to last a couple of days, so probably a 500l would do that. Looks like 1000kg payload is needed at least.

 

[Iron Giant]

@pablowillpro 500ltrs when switching from trad to wfp you could empty the tank in a day and very easily empty use 250ltrs within 4 hours.

 

[pablowillpro]

@pablowillpro 500ltrs when switching from trad to wfp you could empty the tank in a day and very easily empty use 250ltrs within 4 hours.

Ok, thanks for your reply. I assume that using a filling a station every day after work would just have to become apart of my working day?

 

[Iron Giant]

Ok, thanks for your reply. I assume that using a filling a station every day after work would just have to become apart of my working day?

Best to make it the first part of your day because leaving a van fully loaded overnight isn't always advisable, but it's entirely up to you

 

[spruce]

Ok, thanks for your reply. I assume that using a filling a station every day after work would just have to become apart of my working day?

You got there before I did @Iron Giant

This is just my personal opinion.

I would try to fill up in the morning personally. The vehicle manufacturers tell you what the payload is for that particular model van, but I don't think that it does the springs any good sitting at full load. If you can't get out the following day, then the van will sit longer with that load on the suspension.

Some may laugh at this, but motorhome owners are experiencing issues with their rear suspension due to the vehicle sitting a nearly full weight all the time. (Ford Transit, Fiat Ducato, Peugeot Boxer and Citroën Relay based motor homeowners are all reporting rear spring issues.) Just do a search on the RV/motorhome forums.

My brother-in-law bought a Fiat based motor home about 4 years ago. He has had to replace both rear springs. Fiat rejected any responsibility, as they said the body builder ordered the wrong van for the conversions.

I have had an issue with my 62 plate Peugeot Boxer. Even without weight, the rear monoleaf spring was straight and when I added water, they curved the wrong way with the axle hitting the bump stops. I've now fitted double leaf springs, new shocks and new bump stops. Absolute nightmare of a job to do on the driveway.

Let's face it. The quality of springs made these days is very poor when compared to 50 or 60 years ago.