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how thick is the ply? if its thick enough you can just lay some timber round the bottom edge of the tank and screw it down
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not really, i only offer tried and tested advise on anything, i built my own system and have had it check out and they have said its fine.Anyone on here who recommends anything other than a fully crash tested system is potentially asking for trouble in the event of an accident. Be careful what you say!
How can you say it's tried and tested? Have you have it crash tested by MIRA? All I'm saying is that you're leaving yourself open to litigation if you advise someone to use a timber frame and he gets himself seriously injured by following your advice.not really, i only offer tried and tested advise on anything, i built my own system and have had it check out and they have said its fine.
the timeber that i have said about is only for a temp measure until he can afford to get it frame for it.
could you point me to where i say only use a wooden frame to sucure the tank??? because reading back there is nowhere that i can see that says this.How can you say it's tried and tested? Have you have it crash tested by MIRA? All I'm saying is that you're leaving yourself open to litigation if you advise someone to use a timber frame and he gets himself seriously injured by following your advice.
Here! Post #22how thick is the ply? if its thick enough you can just lay some timber round the bottom edge of the tank and screw it down
Why did they only test it at 30mph? What happens at 40, 50, 60, 70 mph. Is it still the same results? If its not that should really pull that video. Its gives of the impressions that it its 100% safe when in fact its not. All vans are different some can withstand more impact than others. and some are stronger some are weaker (older vans)Here! Post #22
I appreciate that you are trying to be helpful as am I, I just think that you're on risky ground recommending anything that isn't successfully crash tested.
What you chose to put in your van and how you chose to secure it is your business but you cannot legitimately say that it's tried and tested or inspected and been cleared as safe unless you've either had it crash tested or been in a crash and had it proven that way.
Do you honestly think that a piece of timber screwed into plywood would stop 650kg of mass in a 30mph crash even when held down with straps.
I really don't mean to be argumentative with you but by the same token I don't want someone to get injured because they took your opinion as fact.
I'd me more than happy to continue this discussion by pm if you wish.
Dave
i'll pm you, i'll only get moaned at again if i carry on! lolHere! Post #22
I appreciate that you are trying to be helpful as am I, I just think that you're on risky ground recommending anything that isn't successfully crash tested.
What you chose to put in your van and how you chose to secure it is your business but you cannot legitimately say that it's tried and tested or inspected and been cleared as safe unless you've either had it crash tested or been in a crash and had it proven that way.
Do you honestly think that a piece of timber screwed into plywood would stop 650kg of mass in a 30mph crash even when held down with straps.
I really don't mean to be argumentative with you but by the same token I don't want someone to get injured because they took your opinion as fact.
I'd me more than happy to continue this discussion by pm if you wish.
Dave
To be fair we're not talking about the strength of the vans mate were talking about having a half ton weight unsecured in the back of the van. The videos show what happens at 30mph, a reasonable and standard speed most cleaning vans will reach. The secured tanks may not hold at 50 60 70mph etc, but one thing is for sure, an unsecured tank at just 30mph has a very high chance of coming into the cabin and killing you in the event of a crash. I drive with my kids in the van sometimes and it's not something I would risk.Why did they only test it at 30mph? What happens at 40, 50, 60, 70 mph. Is it still the same results? If its not that should really pull that video. Its gives of the impressions that it its 100% safe when in fact its not. All vans are different some can withstand more impact than others. and some are stronger some are weaker (older vans)
To be fair we're not talking about the strength of the vans mate were talking about having a half ton weight unsecured in the back of the van. The videos show what happens at 30mph, a reasonable and standard speed most cleaning vans will reach. The secured tanks may not hold at 50 60 70mph etc, but one thing is for sure, an unsecured tank at just 30mph has a very high chance of coming into the cabin and killing you in the event of a crash. I drive with my kids in the van sometimes and it's not something I would risk.
Would you drive around with 500kg of unsecured steel in the back of the van ? I know I wouldn't.
He is not giving professional advice, he is giving personal experiences, if the op chooses to follow what RC or anyone else has said, then that's at the OP risk....How can you say it's tried and tested? Have you have it crash tested by MIRA? All I'm saying is that you're leaving yourself open to litigation if you advise someone to use a timber frame and he gets himself seriously injured by following your advice.
The strength of the chassis will vary on each van, also age will most likely be a factor in how strong that is too.The frame is secured to the van chassis with high tensile bolts and the crash tested ones will not move in a 30mph crash. Yes you can crash faster and it may not hold but you can't drive round in a fire engine all day!!
If you think about it, for a large part of the day you're probably not going over 30mph anyway and it's the best available so the safest you can get.
Hopefully you're never going to crash so it's all just a discussion but I wouldn't want to be driving round in a van with the tank held in place with timber and ratchet straps.
They travel on the ice at less than 15mph and I remember one episode when they were carrying pipes where they discussed the pipes going through the cabin.I don't have any experience with any of this, but I would add if any of you are fans of Ice road truckers, you see a lot heavier items held on with nothing but straps, and it is considered safe practice. The vehicle may not have had a crash test, however the straps are purpose built to secure loads and they have been thoroughly tested.
Think what you like, I know what I'd rather have behind me in my van and your views clearly differ from mine so we'll just have to agree to differ.The strength of the chassis will vary on each van, also age will most likely be a factor in how strong that is too.
So because your driving at 30pmh most of the day it makes it all right? lol.
What about people there only cover commercial work, or should I say large commercial work. They will be travelling a lot. on motorway, county roads. There sppeds going to be way higher. Now they may have got there system installed on the basis of that video thinking there going to be safe when if fact there not. This wont just effect that type of company but anyone who does a lot of travelling at higher speeds.
Its just a gimmick I reckon to get people to buy in to there prodcut
Unless the desk was made by pure freedom, No. lolJust an ideas, could you not use the metal frame of the old school office desks, n just cut and re bolt it to make a frame ?????
They do travel on ice at slow speeds ur absolutely correct, but they also travel at higher speeds when they are not on the ice. I don't want to join in on the point scoring here, but IMO straps are safe, as long as the loads and checked as they don't exceed the manufacturers recommendations, then I would be quite happy, and feel very safe.They travel on the ice at less than 15mph and I remember one episode when they were carrying pipes where they discussed the pipes going through the cabin.