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http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/misc613.pdf
Hopefully this will help us trad guys to understand a bit better .
Hopefully this will help us trad guys to understand a bit better .
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To be honest mate I have always been health and safety orientated in every job I have done .Looks like everything I have said about hse has rubbed off on some of you! Lol
Yer know the feeling, just shows you what you have to do these days!To be honest mate I have always been health and safety orientated in every job I have done .
When I started work my first qualification was nvq lvl2 health and safety in the work place so it's always been part of me always
Been drummed into me .
iv got to be honest rc, that document disagrees with alot of stuff you have said in the past,lol but still, good information to have at handLooks like everything I have said about hse has rubbed off on some of you! Lol
Like?iv got to be honest rc, that document disagrees with alot of stuff you have said in the past,lol but still, good information to have at hand
The most dangerous time is when you are stepping from the ladder onto the roof, that's where the h&s officer would look at how you are doing it and using the correct ladders and access point to the top of the ladder to prevent falls. That is telling people how to work in accordance with the legislation set by the hse.well no, obviously you can step off of a ladder at the edge of a roof and walk into the 2m range,lol. and that document is safeguards and advice more than legislation isnt it?
well i dont know who you have had dealings with but maybe you should check your sources, its not law to have fall protection or barriers, as this h&s document clearly states, a risk assesment and working a suitable distance from the edge is sufficient.I have had some dealing with HSE recently and they pretty much tell you its a no no, as there is no edge protection. There is very little common sense applied,
The lad I dealt with was very polite, and I had no problems that way, they just sent me out a copy of that pack, and advised me that it is not allowed, but I think there needs to be more info on what we have to do, to make it safe. Something less vague and reasonable steps, considering the short duration of the work we do.
As we want to be working in accordance with these guidelines to avoid any fine etc, we have instructed all our staff to use trad extension poles where they can with windows above roofs, and I am seriously considering, putting a van mount WFP into the two vans next year for awkward or high windows. God knows how that will work for us, as I live in a top floor flat, and standpipes are too expenses of the water board.
On another note I looked quite deeply into this, and it might be interesting to know that after this month, any investigation work they do to catch you breaking these rules, is going to be billed to you. Even if they spend 3k on a survaliance team to catch to stepping on a porch roof, to clean a little old dears window. Your going to get the bill.
In your email you state that this flat roof is a suitable work platform.
I have to advise you that this does not comply with 'The Work at Height
Regulations 2005 (as amended)' and must not be used as a work platform.
If you intend to carry out work at this location again you must review
your risk assessments and procedures to ensure you comply with the above
regulations.
I am sending you a brief guide to the above regulations and an HSE
Information Sheet on 'Safety in Window Cleaning Using Portable Ladders'.
You should use this information to review all of your risk assessments
and procedures to ensure compliance with the law.
How high is the flats you live in?Rc I previously looked at WFP and this was the main hurdle that put me off it, and all I could come up with was buying a stand pipe off ebay. But technically I would be breaking the law there too by not doing things proper through the water board.
If go semi WFP, I will only use them on awkward jobs, so I wont need to fill them up much... I hope. But for the time being trad poles will do.