New Gardiner gooseneck

[Jonny 67]

I think the only problem once you've achieved fitting it tubeless, is you won't be able to add any sections, without having to take it apart

 

[ched999uk]

@Davy G has now shown a univalve and hoseless can be fitted on the new gooseneck all be it being difficult. Maybe Gardiners should sell both versions so people who want hoseless can fit it easilyy and those that want univalve? 

 

[Davy G]

@Davy G has now shown a univalve and hoseless can be fitted on the new gooseneck all be it being difficult. Maybe Gardiners should sell both versions so people who want hoseless can fit it easilyy and those that want univalve? 

Yes, or just allow the pole hose through on all of them, as used to be, rather than complicating issues. I've been trying to figure if there's any advantage to having a spigot and hose joint hidden inside the pole at the bottom of the Gooseneck. I can't think of any. I see it as an unnecessary weak point. Surely it's better to have as few joints as possible, especially hidden inside the pole, where they can't be easily monitored. My swivel Gooseneck is a permanent fixture till it eventually fails , and where, in the case of a Hoseless setup the pole has to be dismantled to effect a repair?

 

[Alex Gardiner]

@Davy G has now shown a univalve and hoseless can be fitted on the new gooseneck all be it being difficult. Maybe Gardiners should sell both versions so people who want hoseless can fit it easilyy and those that want univalve? 

Hi Ched & Davy G

The new Gooseneck has been designed to provide a simpler install for the majority of our users. Quite a few of our pole users also use a Univalve and moving forward we would only recommend using a Univalve with one of these new goosenecks due to the built-in protection it gives the gooseneck connections and brush fitting connections.

Only a very small percentage of our worldwide users have a 'hoseless' setup - probably less than 0.5% - as this is an aftermarket modification, we did not design this new gooseneck with these users in mind - however we will continue to sell the original base gooseneck parts moving forward so if someone does want to fit a 'hoseless' setup they can do so as they have done previously ?

So to summarize:

Group 1 - 85% of our clients - do not use a Univalve or ‘Hoseless’  - The new Gooseneck provides a simple option.

Group 2 – Approx. 15% of our clients use a Univalve – We would recommend using the new Gooseneck as it provides a simple connection option and protects the connections above the gooseneck from the ‘pull actuation’ of the Univalve without the need for the current modifications that users have to make once the Univalve is fitted.

Group 3 – Approx. 0.5% Hoseless setup – As Davy G has shown this can be done with new Gooseneck or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

Group 4 – Approx. less than 0.2% use a Univalve and a ‘Hoseless’ setup – These users could probably make the new gooseneck work with some trial and error – or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

So whilst we are designing and catering for the majority of our users who do not modify their pole setup from our standard supply, we also still want to work with our more ‘creative’ pole users so they can still modify and work with the poles and goosenecks we supply.

So for those in Group 3 or 4 they may not see any advantage, but for those in Group 1 and 2 (especially when coupled with our hosepacks supplied with the new push to barb fitting) this new gooseneck will offer several advantages.

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

Hi Ched & Davy G

The new Gooseneck has been designed to provide a simpler install for the majority of our users. Quite a few of our pole users also use a Univalve and moving forward we would only recommend using a Univalve with one of these new goosenecks due to the built-in protection it gives the gooseneck connections and brush fitting connections.

Only a very small percentage of our worldwide users have a 'hoseless' setup - probably less than 0.5% - as this is an aftermarket modification, we did not design this new gooseneck with these users in mind - however we will continue to sell the original base gooseneck parts moving forward so if someone does want to fit a 'hoseless' setup they can do so as they have done previously ?

So to summarize:

Group 1 - 85% of our clients - do not use a Univalve or ‘Hoseless’  - The new Gooseneck provides a simple option.

Group 2 – Approx. 15% of our clients use a Univalve – We would recommend using the new Gooseneck as it provides a simple connection option and protects the connections above the gooseneck from the ‘pull actuation’ of the Univalve without the need for the current modifications that users have to make once the Univalve is fitted.

Group 3 – Approx. 0.5% Hoseless setup – As Davy G has shown this can be done with new Gooseneck or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

Group 4 – Approx. less than 0.2% use a Univalve and a ‘Hoseless’ setup – These users could probably make the new gooseneck work with some trial and error – or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

So whilst we are designing and catering for the majority of our users who do not modify their pole setup from our standard supply, we also still want to work with our more ‘creative’ pole users so they can still modify and work with the poles and goosenecks we supply.

So for those in Group 3 or 4 they may not see any advantage, but for those in Group 1 and 2 (especially when coupled with our hosepacks supplied with the new push to barb fitting) this new gooseneck will offer several advantages.

Thanks for explaining Alex. 

Don't want to question your numbers, but I am surprised with how little a number use hoseless and a univalve. To me its the perfect setup! Its a shame as I think the hoseless connector sleeves currently available could be improved upon and you guys have a great track recorded of making stuff work really well. Was hoping we would be able to speck a out the box pole setup ready for hoseless. 

 

[Pjj]

I am really surprised that none of the main wfp producers has not fitted the hoseless system to there poles as a standard fitment it’s so much better , easier , quicker than having miles of pole hose dangling from poles in a van , I accept if using extension sections then it’s less practical but it’s cheap to fit as well , we have around 8 poles per van and it would be a nightmare having hoses on every pole sticking out every ware. The only pole I haven’t converted yet is the chemical spraying one .???? 

 

[Jango]

Hi Jango

On the bottom end of this new gooseneck is a straight 8mm shaft - the ideal connector to use on this is our new 8mm push-fit to 5mm barb fitting - this then allows your pole hose top be pushed and clipped on and allows for quick and simple removal from the gooseneck shaft as needed. In the future all of our pole hose supplied with have this fitting on one end.

You can push the pole hose directly on to the straight shaft, but it is a tight fit - to do so heat up the end of the pole hose and slide over the shaft - then O clip securely in place.

We have had these in testing for about 12 months prior to our release of them and the bottom shaft is very tough in testing.

Ok thank you. I’ve sent you a message. 

 

[P4dstar]

Thanks for explaining Alex. 

Don't want to question your numbers, but I am surprised with how little a number use hoseless and a univalve. To me its the perfect setup! Its a shame as I think the hoseless connector sleeves currently available could be improved upon and you guys have a great track recorded of making stuff work really well. Was hoping we would be able to speck a out the box pole setup ready for hoseless. 

I'm not surprised. I think we're all in this bubble where we've found the window cleaning forum and had it recommended to us. We all know the benefits and we all use it. I think we are the bulk of the 15% who use a univalve. The bulk of window cleaners just make it up as they go along and don't seek help online. I've recommended the forum to at least 10 windies round here and never seen any of them turn up. Some I've mentioned it a second time and they say "Oh I must do that" or "I've been meaning to". The chap who trained me literally has no shut off, once his pump goes on it pumps constantly until he returns to the van, he only has a 500L system and does solely commercial work. His water is purified onboard with an ionics system so it's not even like he could fly back and refill quickly.

 

[Davy G]

Hi Ched & Davy G

The new Gooseneck has been designed to provide a simpler install for the majority of our users. Quite a few of our pole users also use a Univalve and moving forward we would only recommend using a Univalve with one of these new goosenecks due to the built-in protection it gives the gooseneck connections and brush fitting connections.

Only a very small percentage of our worldwide users have a 'hoseless' setup - probably less than 0.5% - as this is an aftermarket modification, we did not design this new gooseneck with these users in mind - however we will continue to sell the original base gooseneck parts moving forward so if someone does want to fit a 'hoseless' setup they can do so as they have done previously ?

So to summarize:

Group 1 - 85% of our clients - do not use a Univalve or ‘Hoseless’  - The new Gooseneck provides a simple option.

Group 2 – Approx. 15% of our clients use a Univalve – We would recommend using the new Gooseneck as it provides a simple connection option and protects the connections above the gooseneck from the ‘pull actuation’ of the Univalve without the need for the current modifications that users have to make once the Univalve is fitted.

Group 3 – Approx. 0.5% Hoseless setup – As Davy G has shown this can be done with new Gooseneck or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

Group 4 – Approx. less than 0.2% use a Univalve and a ‘Hoseless’ setup – These users could probably make the new gooseneck work with some trial and error – or an old base part can be bought and fitted - https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html

So whilst we are designing and catering for the majority of our users who do not modify their pole setup from our standard supply, we also still want to work with our more ‘creative’ pole users so they can still modify and work with the poles and goosenecks we supply.

So for those in Group 3 or 4 they may not see any advantage, but for those in Group 1 and 2 (especially when coupled with our hosepacks supplied with the new push to barb fitting) this new gooseneck will offer several advantages.

Hi @Alex GardinerIThanks for your input on this conversation. I've been trying, with a very open mind, to see how having a  joint hidden out of view inside the pole on a fitting which will no longer simply allow a continuous length of hose through to a sound hose stop in view on the outside of the Gooseneck has any advantages to anyone. A very sound hose stop on the straight through Gooseneck that is easily adjusted would, I'd have thought, be job done. You are the expert, without a doubt and like you say, you have your reasons. Thanks for getting back to us. I'll get a couple of base pieces for next time.

Thanks again ??

 

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi @Alex GardinerIThanks for your input on this conversation. I've been   trying, with a very open mind, to see how having a  joint hidden out of view inside the pole on a fitting which will no longer simply allow a continuous length of hose through to a sound hose stop in view on the outside of the Gooseneck has any advantages to anyone. A very sound hose stop on the straight through Gooseneck that is easily adjusted would, I'd have thought, be job done. You are the expert, without a doubt and like you say, you have your reasons. Thanks for getting back to us. I'll get a couple of base pieces for next time.

Thanks again ??

Hi Davy

We do not supply our poles with a continuous length of pole hose that goes up the pole and through the gooseneck.

The previous method was that each gooseneck is supplied with a short length of Orange PU hose and an 8mm to 8mm straight connector that sits inside the top pole section just below the gooseneck. As shown in this video -



It is this gooseneck/hose/connector setup that the new Gooseneck is replacing and also simplifying ?

 

[ched999uk]

Hi @Alex GardinerIThanks for your input on this conversation. I've been trying, with a very open mind, to see how having a  joint hidden out of view inside the pole on a fitting which will no longer simply allow a continuous length of hose through to a sound hose stop in view on the outside of the Gooseneck has any advantages to anyone. A very sound hose stop on the straight through Gooseneck that is easily adjusted would, I'd have thought, be job done. You are the expert, without a doubt and like you say, you have your reasons. Thanks for getting back to us. I'll get a couple of base pieces for next time.

Thanks again ??

I always thought that there was a joint just under the gooseneck - the push fit john Guest that connects pole hose to gooseneck (orange) hose? So there are no extra joints are there?

I have read that a few people had issues using a univalve and having snapped jet capsules as they didn't have anything to stop the hose pulling through the old style goosenecks. I know you do but some don't read instructions.

 

[Pjj]

Hi @Alex GardinerIThanks for your input on this conversation. I've been trying, with a very open mind, to see how having a  joint hidden out of view inside the pole on a fitting which will no longer simply allow a continuous length of hose through to a sound hose stop in view on the outside of the Gooseneck has any advantages to anyone. A very sound hose stop on the straight through Gooseneck that is easily adjusted would, I'd have thought, be job done. You are the expert, without a doubt and like you say, you have your reasons. Thanks for getting back to us. I'll get a couple of base pieces for next time.

Thanks again ??

I recently bought a couple of swivel goose necks and there wasn’t an option to have the older version that I could see ??? I I used the new swivel bit with the old bit that goes into the pole . 

 

[Davy G]

I always thought that there was a joint just under the gooseneck - the push fit john Guest that connects pole hose to gooseneck (orange) hose? So there are no extra joints are there?

I have read that a few people had issues using a univalve and having snapped jet capsules as they didn't have anything to stop the hose pulling through the old style goosenecks. I know you do but some don't read instructions.

Oh yeah, you're right. ?Just goes to show, once I'm satisfied with the set up of a pole, it's usually left as is for years and my mind concentrates on other things. Some things like work methods and technique are now pretty automatic, others like outfitting poles are done so rarely by me, when it comes time, I have to nearly start again from square one with the thinking. ?

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

I recently bought a couple of swivel goose necks and there wasn’t an option to have the older version that I could see ??? I I used the new swivel bit with the old bit that goes into the pole . 

Yeah, I hope they can keep it as a option on the website for us 0.2%. Kinda makes us special ?

@Alex Gardiner Can you put the old configuration up for us. Even call it the Window Cleaning Forum special, with no description of what it is, only we will know ?

I'm not surprised. I think we're all in this bubble where we've found the window cleaning forum and had it recommended to us. We all know the benefits and we all use it. I think we are the bulk of the 15% who use a univalve. The bulk of window cleaners just make it up as they go along and don't seek help online. I've recommended the forum to at least 10 windies round here and never seen any of them turn up. Some I've mentioned it a second time and they say "Oh I must do that" or "I've been meaning to". The chap who trained me literally has no shut off, once his pump goes on it pumps constantly until he returns to the van, he only has a 500L system and does solely commercial work. His water is purified onboard with an ionics system so it's not even like he could fly back and refill quickly.

Funny, I spotted I lad I know on the Facebook forum recently. I recommended the website to him but he wasn’t interested, dispute all the trash advice handed around on Facebook. Makes you wonder! ??‍

 

[ched999uk]

Funny, I spotted I lad I know on the Facebook forum recently. I recommended the website to him but he wasn’t interested, dispute all the trash advice handed around on Facebook. Makes you wonder! ??‍

Keep all the trash on Facebook and the great advice from knowledgeable people and manufacturers here ? 

 

[Davy G]

Yeah, I hope they can keep it as a option on the website for us 0.2%. Kinda makes us special ?

@Alex Gardiner Can you put the old configuration up for us. Even call it the Window Cleaning Forum special, with no description of what it is, only we will know ?

That's us, the 0.2% ers. I was five feet six, ish, but now I feel so proud I walk a very tall five seven.? ?

 

[Davy G]

Keep all the trash on Facebook and the great advice from knowledgeable people and manufacturers here ? 

There's truth to what you say @ched999uku. Be careful what we wish for. This is a cracking forum that I'd hate to see brought down to the low standards of respect and camaraderie I see when I browse another forum. Not everyone on there of course by any means but a very large number.

 

[Part Timer]

Keep all the trash on Facebook and the great advice from knowledgeable people and manufacturers here ? 

We have members from he other well known forum gatecrash here from time to time. They don't tend to last very long though.

As for the multi millionaire dross on the main FB site ?

 

[Davy G]

We have members from he other well known forum gatecrash here from time to time. They don't tend to last very long though.

As for the multi millionaire dross on the main FB site ?

Never really had anything to do with FB. Not my thing. Each to their own.

 

[Part Timer]

Never really had anything to do with FB. Not my thing. Each to their own.

When I work away I have hours on my own and don't really watch telly so I joined the FB site. After reading idiots saying on one post they're that busy they didn't want anymore business and on the next post complaining the walk ups had dried up I decided to question some off them.

I had one idiot just being an obnoxious clown so I suggested I could stop off at Nottingham where he lived on my way home, I was in Newmarket, to continue the discussion. Shortly after this I decided to leave it as all you had were loud mouths.

 

[Davy G]

When I work away I have hours on my own and don't really watch telly so I joined the FB site. After reading idiots saying on one post they're that busy they didn't want anymore business and on the next post complaining the walk ups had dried up I decided to question some off them.

I had one idiot just being an obnoxious clown so I suggested I could stop off at Nottingham where he lived on my way home, I was in Newmarket, to continue the discussion. Shortly after this I decided to leave it as all you had were loud mouths.

Like every social or discussion group, I'm sure there are very sound people on there. But my gut feeling is that there's too big a number of people on fb to make it easy for the good ones to have a good respectful conversation without the disrespectful ones (for want of a better, more honest but less diplomatic description) interfering and spoiling it.