Spots on Glass

[Scottie]

Hi, I think you should carry on, WFP imo is a better clean. The customer gets the frames, vents and sills washed, not wiped, washed. On first clean I wash from the top scrubbing like mad and just get as much dirt to run down as poss, then a light rinise down after washing all frames and glass and do same on next window. I then go back to the first window and wash again and to frame I clean well and downwards again. I then rinsed the top frame and then the black seal flushing all dirtout and putting enough water on it to know pure is the dominating and then i rinse the glass I take the brush away from window and then 1-2 inch below frame I go side to side rinse and and build a head of water going down the glass then rinse down the glass....I have never had anyone complain and I very oftern am picking up work from franchise or large cleanign companies whom are not putting enough effort in to the work, I really am picking loads of work up from this, so I feel its down to the operator and the care taken in the work, I clean 12-14 a day and take my time to make sure all windows are cleaned properly, I might not do as many as some claim to do 20 or more a day on their own but I am happy with that amount and dont have any customers under £10 unless small quick jobs and have built business up on recommendations... So please just keep trying and it will work for you I promise....just put logic in to it, clean dirt so that it does not infiltrait the pure water coming down and settle on the glass (called rinsing well - not to little not to much power on rinse. All the best!

 

[CHWS]

I upgraded to 3mm jets and I would recommend them also mate , I think I maybe come across rinsing to quick and when I do it the same speed with 3mm I don't get spotting

 

[Iron Giant]

It really is about ensuring you get rid of all the dirt and rinsing well not rinsing enough could be your downfall , I use 1mm jets and have done for over 6 years without issue .

Not sure of your full set up but using back pack on all jobs will be a real pain as you don't have enough water available to you without going back and forth from Car or Van .

 

[brianbadonde]

I've got to say I have very rarely got spotting on the first clean. Very rarely I have had to go over problem windows but after a couple of cleans these usually correct themselves. I make sure I rinse extra on the first clean and scrub thoroughly. Seems to have worked for me and have had 1 minor complaint in 2 years. Keep going with it.

Bear on mind some windows will have mineral marks which are impossible to get of with out scraping or chemicals. And leaded wimdows can be problematic for spotting from oxidised metal.

 

[padman]

Still struggling. I used ubik yesterday and scrubbed a hell of a lot and I thought I had rinsed enough. Popped back later in the day still a few spots. I ended up trad all of them and thought **** this WFP stuff haha

No I will keep at it for now anyway. Just not getting the results I was hoping for, also as mentioned going to get a tank in the van as filling the BP up at least once on every job is a pain.

 

[blaze]

you would be better seeing if you can go out with someone who knows how to wfp properly and learning the correct method and technique from them it might cost you a few days of working for free or you might even offer to bung them a few quid for there trouble but it will give you the hands on experience which it sounds like you need

 

[Dave B]

Where you based @padman ?

 

[Danfire]

I will stick to trad for the first cleans (all windows that I can reach)...even doing this with my porcupine sleeve I still get the odd spot of residue/sellotape/paint drip etc that I need to get a thumbnail or scraper on...there is no way WFP would remove this cack.

 

[David K]

you would be better seeing if you can go out with someone who knows how to wfp properly and learning the correct method and technique from them it might cost you a few days of working for free or you might even offer to bung them a few quid for there trouble but it will give you the hands on experience which it sounds like you need

Thats a good idea ! I once Got hired as an instructor for the Day by my friend who was starting up wfp . He came to the conclusion that it was cheaper to invest in good training , other than have to go back and do a lot of jobs once again unpayed .

 

[Pedro]

Hi, I think you should carry on, WFP imo is a better clean. The customer gets the frames, vents and sills washed, not wiped, washed. On first clean I wash from the top scrubbing like mad and just get as much dirt to run down as poss, then a light rinise down after washing all frames and glass and do same on next window. I then go back to the first window and wash again and to frame I clean well and downwards again. I then rinsed the top frame and then the black seal flushing all dirtout and putting enough water on it to know pure is the dominating and then i rinse the glass I take the brush away from window and then 1-2 inch below frame I go side to side rinse and and build a head of water going down the glass then rinse down the glass....I have never had anyone complain and I very oftern am picking up work from franchise or large cleanign companies whom are not putting enough effort in to the work, I really am picking loads of work up from this, so I feel its down to the operator and the care taken in the work, I clean 12-14 a day and take my time to make sure all windows are cleaned properly, I might not do as many as some claim to do 20 or more a day on their own but I am happy with that amount and dont have any customers under £10 unless small quick jobs and have built business up on recommendations... So please just keep trying and it will work for you I promise....just put logic in to it, clean dirt so that it does not infiltrait the pure water coming down and settle on the glass (called rinsing well - not to little not to much power on rinse. All the best!

Top advice Scottie! Keep at it Padman, you will have set backs but all will come good!

 

[Dave B]

Hi, I think you should carry on, WFP imo is a better clean. The customer gets the frames, vents and sills washed, not wiped, washed. On first clean I wash from the top scrubbing like mad and just get as much dirt to run down as poss, then a light rinise down after washing all frames and glass and do same on next window. I then go back to the first window and wash again and to frame I clean well and downwards again. I then rinsed the top frame and then the black seal flushing all dirtout and putting enough water on it to know pure is the dominating and then i rinse the glass I take the brush away from window and then 1-2 inch below frame I go side to side rinse and and build a head of water going down the glass then rinse down the glass....I have never had anyone complain and I very oftern am picking up work from franchise or large cleanign companies whom are not putting enough effort in to the work, I really am picking loads of work up from this, so I feel its down to the operator and the care taken in the work, I clean 12-14 a day and take my time to make sure all windows are cleaned properly, I might not do as many as some claim to do 20 or more a day on their own but I am happy with that amount and dont have any customers under £10 unless small quick jobs and have built business up on recommendations... So please just keep trying and it will work for you I promise....just put logic in to it, clean dirt so that it does not infiltrait the pure water coming down and settle on the glass (called rinsing well - not to little not to much power on rinse. All the best!

That's all a bit ott with the scrubbing and rinsing

Seriously just treat it like a maintenance clean but give everything a quick scrub first to get the muck off and a quick scrub and rinse above the top frame

Then go back and quickly clean it like normal

Try it rather than wasting your time and water

 

[MARKYMARK1234]

I scrub the Windows and frames per maintenance clean basically to get every area wet and soaking dirt etc. Then thorough clean of top frame and top edge of window. Then rinse and let drip.

Do another few windows and return later. Then it's scrub top window avoiding water going on to the top frame and frames to the side. Then it's rinse off the glass, dwelling on the top Part of the glass (I count 4 slow passes) then rinse down. If I suspect a problem window, I repeat that final action. It's the drips from above that are the enemy. The drips from under the rubber seal too but that may be unavoidable on a first clean.

 

[padman]

Thanks for all the advice. Seems I MAY of got it nearly right haha. I scrubbed all frames and glass with lowish pressure and then went to max pump pressure for rinsing and bingo NO spots. Used loads of water so gotta get tank for the van IF I want to carry on with da pole.

For the time being I think I will pole the upstairs stuff and trad the ground floor. Luckily for me its not my main source of income, so I want to get myself cleaning like a god before I start promoting window cleaning /emoticons/smile.png

Thanks again everyone - much appreciated.

 

[Scottie]

I am picking up somch work from large window cleaning companies workers whom are not cleaning properly, some of i i have seen a day after done is awful. This is guys with 1000s of pounds of equipment and can not clean correct. It is about care and cmaking sure the top is clean and rinsed well.

I have a back pack btw and it delivers the same end product 000 tds via jets to the window and cost me very little to run and can do a great job, I find using a back pack btw very good as never have issues parking vehicle close enough and can easily get about. Great bit of kit.