For those now spending the next month or so in their pj's

[scottish cleaning service]

I had injected problems with one of my vans only that vehicle was filled up at Asda all the time , it needed 4 new injectors the garage that did the work said you have been using supermarket fuel haven’t you ?. Yes I said he said that they see it all the time with vehicles that use that type of fuel , never happens with branded fuel , since that time we haven’t used Asda again and have never had any other issues with any of my vehicles so I dint know if he is right but it certainly made scene 

I believe that used to be the case years ago but things have moved on. The program was on end of last year and used scientists to test all the fuel. The results came back that they were all the same. I found it hard to believe but it makes sense because if it was proven that their fuel was defective then they would be wide open to court cases.

 

[cleaniac]

I've noticed that older cars just don't run correctly unless you buy the premium fuel. 

Our family run about, which has a modern direct injected, turbocharged 998 cc engine puts out 120ps, and it returns 50mpg, often only costing 50 quid to brim to the top if i get fuel at ASDA, but it makes little if any difference if I put premium fuel in it, or the cheap garbage.

We also have a much older 2.0 Turbocharged, Courtenay Spec Zafira GSI, put cheap fuel in that, and it it's a noticable loss in power. 

When I had my jdm spec supra twin turbo, that had 480bhp and would only run on super unleaded, put the cheaper stuff in, it would fail to run all together.

Even my triumph sprint RS motorcylce that had 120bhp, cheap fuel would make it run poorly.

It's mostly due to the higher ethanol content now shoved in the fuel, especially with the cheap stuff.

They want us all buying electric..

 

[Pjj]

I've noticed that older cars just don't run correctly unless you buy the premium fuel. 

Our family run about, which has a modern direct injected, turbocharged 998 cc engine puts out 120ps, and it returns 50mpg, often only costing 50 quid to brim to the top if i get fuel at ASDA, but it makes little if any difference if I put premium fuel in it, or the cheap garbage.

We also have a much older 2.0 Turbocharged, Courtenay Spec Zafira GSI, put cheap fuel in that, and it it's a noticable loss in power. 

When I had my jdm spec supra twin turbo, that had 480bhp and would only run on super unleaded, put the cheaper stuff in, it would fail to run all together.

Even my triumph sprint RS motorcylce that had 120bhp, cheap fuel would make it run poorly.

It's mostly due to the higher ethanol content now shoved in the fuel, especially with the cheap stuff.

They want us all buying electric..

I have an Audi sq5 and BMW 3:0 TDS both run far better and do more mpg run on shell v power but the cost is much higher than normal diesel so it’s not worth the extra cost , but if you want to have a play it’s worth a tank full ???

 

[scottish cleaning service]

I have an Audi sq5 and BMW 3:0 TDS both run far better and do more mpg run on shell v power but the cost is much higher than normal diesel so it’s not worth the extra cost , but if you want to have a play it’s worth a tank full ???

I heard that if you run your car on gas then the engine oil doesn't get dirty.

 

[spruce]

Ah, strange. so they can contain different then? I may stick to the shell then. To be fair I dont often see vans filling up at tesco. Only bad experience I had was with Applegreen years ago, petrol car. Car just lost all power in middle of nowhere. had to get Rac out, happened again, ok after tank refilled with shell. The Rac man said he had attended other vehicles with the same issue who used Applegreen.

A few years back Citroen incorporated a fuel quality sensor in the fuel system of their diesel cars. It was a well known fact in the motor industry that these sensors 'kicked off' when their owners used Morrisons diesel fuel.

Last year a group my son was in hired a Transit minibus with driver. The minibus was new and kept cutting out on the motorway. The driver had to pull over, switch the ignition off and then restart the bus. After the group was dropped off son saw the driver of that minibus filling up with Morrisons fuel.

My son put 2 and 2 together. Was it the fuel that caused that bus to continually cut out? We will never know but I won't use Morrisons stuff if I can help it.

 

[ks789]

A few years back Citroen incorporated a fuel quality sensor in the fuel system of their diesel cars. It was a well known fact in the motor industry that these sensors 'kicked off' when their owners used Morrisons diesel fuel.

Last year a group my son was in hired a Transit minibus with driver. The minibus was new and kept cutting out on the motorway. The driver had to pull over, switch the ignition off and then restart the bus. After the group was dropped off son saw the driver of that minibus filling up with Morrisons fuel.

My son put 2 and 2 together. Was it the fuel that caused that bus to continually cut out? We will never know but I won't use Morrisons stuff if I can help it.

yes this applegreen fuel did exactly the same. And I read bad things about the Morrisons fuel too. maybe things have changed but for the sake of a few pence a litre will stick with shell.

 

[Part Timer]

A few years back Citroen incorporated a fuel quality sensor in the fuel system of their diesel cars. It was a well known fact in the motor industry that these sensors 'kicked off' when their owners used Morrisons diesel fuel.

Last year a group my son was in hired a Transit minibus with driver. The minibus was new and kept cutting out on the motorway. The driver had to pull over, switch the ignition off and then restart the bus. After the group was dropped off son saw the driver of that minibus filling up with Morrisons fuel.

My son put 2 and 2 together. Was it the fuel that caused that bus to continually cut out? We will never know but I won't use Morrisons stuff if I can help it.

This is very strange because for the last 20+ years 90% of the diesel I've used in all my vehicles has been Morrisons and apart from the injectors in my Vivaro failing, a design fault, I've never had an issue. I must have driven 500,000 miles using Morrisons diesel.

 

[spruce]

This is very strange because for the last 20+ years 90% of the diesel I've used in all my vehicles has been Morrisons and apart from the injectors in my Vivaro failing, a design fault, I've never had an issue. I must have driven 500,000 miles using Morrisons diesel.

We never had any issues with using Morrisons diesel. Its was just with fuel consumption which was reflected in reduced performance. (My Relay was rated at 84hp so a slight reduction in power was immediately noticed - and I drive very sedately.)  Interestingly, son also had a Peugeot Partner van with a 2.0hdi engine and he found the same fuel consumption issues as I did with my larger Citroen Relay van. Funnily enough, the family car the wife drives is a 2003 Citroen Xsara 110hp. She never noticed a difference in fuel consumption between Shell and Morrisons fuel.

For us with Shell being a few pennies a liter more than Morrisons it just made sense to use Shell.

Renault did tune their diesels to a high rating. I'm sure their earlier offerings were 115hp engines which was even higher than the 110hp engine PSA used in the Expert/Dispatch/Scudo equivalent. (Of course hp doesn't mean that much in a diesel engine - its all about torque. The original 90hp 2.0hdi engine used in the Citroen Picasso performed better than the 110hp 1.6 hdi in the later model Picasso. We also have to consider that hp is peak hp. The 1.6 rating of 110hp was turbo produced and only in 3rd gear. )

These days the wife drives straight past Asda going to and from work, so this is the most convenient place to fill up. ATM Shell is still 1.249 a liter where we are and Asda diesel is 1.087 a liter. I filled my van up the day before the price dropped at 1.127 a liter.

I'm sure that the Citroen's issue with their fuel sensors went away. In other words they either changed the sensors for less sensitive ones or rewrote the software. We are just presuming that that minibus' problem was related to Morrisons fuel. It may have been something entirely different.

One of the major concerns in the motor industry back in 1998 > was how the new common rail engines would 'survive' in countries where the quality of diesel is bad. So the PSA hdi engine was always very under tuned to account for countries in Asia and Africa where quality diesel is virtually unheard of. 

 

[NoName]

Ok not my any area of specialised knowledge - but I really don't suspect that any of the only 6 fuel refineries in the uk - say hold on this production run - next 100,00 litres are for supermarket M - cut the good stuff and let them have rough cut...come on really the majority of the cost is finding/drilling and shipping the crude - the refinery must me the least expensive part...All fuels need to comply to BS Standard - hardly think they are going set the acceptable standard at a level which causes real issues - garages are bound to try to charge a bit extra for not (any) much more in value - just as costa say 'would you like to try our Fairtrade/Eco/single estate - flava beans coffee for just another 35p' (i.e 10% more profit) - sip sip taste the same to me ? it's the way of capitalism - Tesco Deisel for me - always the cheapest and does the job - it's called product pricing  - you need an 'offering' to cheap/medium and top end buyers - thou the underlying product is virtually the same (though this is not true in my experience with food/wine etc) 

 

[Pjj]

Ok not my any area of specialised knowledge - but I really don't suspect that any of the only 6 fuel refineries in the uk - say hold on this production run - nexr 10,00 litres are for supermarket M - cut the good stuff and let them have rough cut...- come on really the majority of the cost is finding/drill and shipping the crude - the refinery must me the least expensive part...All fuels need to comply to BS Standard - hardly think they are going set the acceptable standard at a level which causes real issues - garages are bound to try to charge a bit extra for not (any) much more in value - just as costa say ' would you like to try out Fairtrade/Eco/single estate - flava beans coffee for just another 35p (i.e 10% more profit) - sip sip taste the same to me ? it's the way of capitalism - Tesco Deisel for me - always the cheapest and does the job 

Shell, bp, and all the other petrol companies all have there own additives put in there particular brand of fuel, this includes things like detergents to keep all the fuel system clean and stop varnish build etc , methanol is added to increase performance, and a host of other things , as far as I’m aware supermarket fuels don’t have there’s things or they didn’t years ago when I was in the motor trade 

 

[NoName]

https://blog.greenflag.com/2019/cheap-supermarket-fuel/

 

[Incheck]

Hit my 5th 180, a 156 checkout and trying to raise my 3 dart average. Hopefully this lockdown will turn me in to a van gerwen before next season comes ?

 

[Pwcs]

Keep your 2 meter distance unless you all going to self isolate in this **** mess that i fleel China have done on purpose and knew this was coming  good job I was thinking of going international but deffently not now I'll stay were i am ????if you got loyal customers which have  been cleaned for 10 years plus there under stand who thinks your exactly going to get every penny back I dont believe none of it tax all not were all going to be out of pocket and behind on the work start of summer now and this **** mess is not what we need !  Carry on Clean On !

 

[P4dstar]

Hit my 5th 180, a 156 checkout and trying to raise my 3 dart average. Hopefully this lockdown will turn me in to a van gerwen before next season comes ?

Just make sure you do your hours exercise too, otherwise you will turn in to Andy Fordham ?

 

[P4dstar]

https://blog.greenflag.com/2019/cheap-supermarket-fuel/

The top comment on that blog sums it up really, they guy who wrote it should be a politician. He can't answer a simple question with a yes or no.

I sold cars for a short period of time. One woman came in to the mechanics saying her car was blowing a little black smoke from the exhaust. They looked it over and told her to stop putting supermarket fuel in it. They went down to Shell, put a tenner in and drove it up and down the M5. It genuinely fixed the problem. They used to bang on about the damage they had seen come through the garage over the years. I don't know the science but it persuaded me. I only use Esso, BP, Texaco or Shell now. I think it pays for itself, I honestly feel I'm getting more MPG. We used to fill up at Tesco in my last job and the brand new vans always had faults and breakdowns.

On a similar note you can get a fuel card for those places and save a few pence a litre, pay via DD invoice, the process is easier and the cost increase should be offset by the savings.

 

[Incheck]

Just make sure you do your hours exercise too, otherwise you will turn in to Andy Fordham ?

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not good is it, the guys in a hell of a state ?

 

[P4dstar]

not good is it, the guys in a hell of a state ?

Jesus Christ, I didn't have a clue he was ill. I just googled it to see what you meant. I just remember the size of him. Poor guy, hope he doesn't get Corona.

 

[Incheck]

Jesus Christ, I didn't have a clue he was ill. I just googled it to see what you meant. I just remember the size of him. Poor guy, hope he doesn't get Corona.

Yeah that’s what alcohol can do to you. Its ruined a lot of darts players..jockey wilson being another. Everything in moderation as they say

 

[Tango]

I'm mainly looking after my little lad who's now thankfully off school! I didn't want him there...

As for other stuff, dunno, not sure really. The car has a duff gearbox which needs either replacing or the entire motor replacing (good time to go van based right?), i got another car that's been sat around for a decade sorn - would be an ideal opportunity to tinker with that (and the weathers unsurprisingly being a **** - oh yes and i'm not allowed out for parts), i could tidy up the garage but that's a terrible task lol

Also been wanting to get back into electronics for years. Got a few bits stashed away out there from the maplin shutdown but no space...

Not really sure what else to do really.. i like my techy stuff and for once i've got the money to do a few things..and no flaming way to go out and buy what i need such as parts.

I guess it'll be internet and films / DVDs mainly!

 

[scottish cleaning service]

I have two days left to work and then I'm shutting down. I realise I need to slow down and just relax. Might do April's windows at the end of month or not a tall, will see how it pans out.

 

[Iron Giant]

I have two days left to work and then I'm shutting down. I realise I need to slow down and just relax. Might do April's windows at the end of month or not a tall, will see how it pans out.

You're stopping working ? also I apologise for having a go at you about the masks yesterday, I had totally misread what you wrote, but I can't find the post now