New window cleaner basing business off bashing wfp

[Diwrnach]

Hope so smurf, I harbour no ill will and hate violence, but I won't back down and I won't sit back and watch someone lie out of their back teeth to people to try and get ne over on me, there really is no need for it, plenty of windows for everyone.

 

[Diwrnach]

Though it has kept me busy for the day, took today off as I had a dicky turn last night with my heart, and always wiped out the following day, which is one of the reasons I started working for myself over 10 years ago now /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Smurf]

Sorry to hear that bud...look after yourself /emoticons/wink.png

 

[Diwrnach]

Its all good mate, it happens now and then, have had heart problems since I was 26, had a heart attack no one can explain lol.

To be honest since I started power lifting a couple of years ago my heart problems have lightened up quite a bit, "funny turns" as I call them happen quite rarely now /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Tuffers]

Why are you getting so worked up? I don't get it. I might be wrong, but you sound like you're fearing he's going to take your work.

Just get on with making your own living and ignore him, unless he slates you personally, then meet him face to face.

 

[Diwrnach]

Why are you getting so worked up? I don't get it. I might be wrong, but you sound like you're fearing he's going to take your work.
Just get on with making your own living and ignore him, unless he slates you personally, then meet him face to face.

Yeah true enough, just Bourtons not a big place and not many of us around, and only two of us in this area I know of use water fed pole, so took it pretty personally.

You are right though /emoticons/smile.png

 

[TolishAPurd]

I don't want to play devils advocate here, but I see a lot of anti trad propaganda from WFPers too. But that said, his advert does come across a bit desperate. And I'm always sceptical of anyone that states they'll come at a certain day and time on a window cleaning round- its a recipe for reduced earnings and customer disapointment IMHO. Smacks of a noob entering the scene to me and he'll regret tying himself down like that when things get busier.

1 golden rule about professional marketing is to sells your own attributes, not bad mouth others whether it be percieved or actual. I really don't like the part where he mentions WFPers being on £100 an hour or whatever, its just disrespectful to the trade and fellow tradesmen.

 

[Dave B]

Just knock the fecker out and be done with it. ..sorry the raki is taking

 

[TolishAPurd]

Just knock the fecker out and be done with it. ..sorry the raki is taking

Calm down Bricktop.

 

[Diwrnach]

I don't want to play devils advocate here, but I see a lot of anti trad propaganda from WFPers too. But that said, his advert does come across a bit desperate. And I'm always sceptical of anyone that states they'll come at a certain day and time on a window cleaning round- its a recipe for reduced earnings and customer disapointment IMHO. Smacks of a noob entering the scene to me and he'll regret tying himself down like that when things get busier.
1 golden rule about professional marketing is to sells your own attributes, not bad mouth others whether it be percieved or actual. I really don't like the part where he mentions WFPers being on £100 an hour or whatever, its just disrespectful to the trade and fellow tradesmen.

You should check out his website if you think his advert is bad.

 

[TolishAPurd]

You should check out his website if you think his advert is bad.

I already did. Its pretty poor. I can see why he'd get peoples back up, but I wouldn't let it bother you too much. If hes spouting that on his site then hes probably talking the same $h*t in the street. He'll be about as popular as a fart in a space suit, which is no way to start a business IMO.

 

[Bilko's Privates]

Iv'e been window cleaning for well over twenty years now, so I know all about traditional and wfp methods.

You can talk all you want about which method gives the best results but in my option it's always wfp because it's about health & safety.

 

[TolishAPurd]

I reckon it has more to do with the window cleaner, and not the method. If you reckon WFP is so much better, then maybe you weren't a very good tradder? Btw, you're on a forum with a mix of WFPers and tradders- have some respect.

 

[Diwrnach]

For me personally I find WFP better, but there is nothing at all wrong with trad, and I also firmly believe one will be better than the other depending on the situation, having both is in my opinion the best way /emoticons/smile.png

Also agree with the above, I have seen some shocking trad work, there is a charity shop near me a trad guy was doing the other day, it was bloody awful, that doesn't mean trad is bad, just he was bad at it.

Same applies to WFP, think a lot of the issues arise from people seeing window cleaning as an easy no skill job anyone can do, so they either have a bit of cash and buy WFP so they don't have to climb ladders or whatever, have no idea how to use it and make a right mess of it not rinsing down properly etc and leaving it covered in water marks.

Same with trad, only costs a hundred quid or something to set up without any idea what they are doing and make a right mess of that as well.

Both are good, both work, or both are crap and neither work, all down to the operator of each /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Diwrnach]

The biggest positive for me for WFP is how I can really easily clean the hard to trad windows, above connie roofs, dormas, veluxs etc

 

[Tuffers]

I reckon it has more to do with the window cleaner, and not the method. If you reckon WFP is so much better, then maybe you weren't a very good tradder? Btw, you're on a forum with a mix of WFPers and tradders- have some respect.

I don't think he is being disrespectful, he's giving us his point of view.

 

[TolishAPurd]

I don't think he is being disrespectful, he's giving us his point of view.

1st post coming on to tell everyone that he thinks WFP is better then trad. I personally think hes trolling, but who knows.

No one knows all about any method, we are always learning. You can be a bad window cleaner for 20 years. Like the time I chatted to a window cleaner that had been doing it for 20+years(apprentice trained apparently), yet his technique reminded me of my first sexual encounter- clumsey and messy.

You can talk all you want about which method gives the best results but in my option it's always wfp because it's about health & safety.

Huge contradiction here: He states that WFP gives the best results, and then says its because of health and safety? Two totally seperate issues. Health and safety is about health and safety- it has no concern for the quality of the workmanship. All the HSE cares about is that people and employees are safe.

 

[Tuffers]

1st post coming on to tell everyone that he thinks WFP is better then trad. I personally think hes trolling, but who knows.

No one knows all about any method, we are always learning. You can be a bad window cleaner for 20 years. Like the time I chatted to a window cleaner that had been doing it for 20+years(apprentice trained apparently), yet his technique reminded me of my first sexual encounter- clumsey and messy.

Huge contradiction here: He states that WFP gives the best results, and then says its because of health and safety? Two totally seperate issues. Health and safety is about health and safety- it has no concern for the quality of the workmanship. All the HSE cares about is that people and employees are safe.

Like he said, he knows both methods and for him WFP gives the best results, in his opinion. Not being disrespectful TAP, but have you used both methods?

I personally feel that there is a place for both, but if I can WFP a job instead of trad it, I will. It's quicker, safer, earns you your money quicker and on Georgians and leaded lights it definitely cleans better.

There you go, that's my opinion and I'm right :thumbsup:

 

[Diwrnach]

That is a really good point, depends where you live as well, see I live in the Cotswolds, and if you drive through some of the villages where I clean you would be hard pressed to find a house that doesn't either have Georgians or leaded windows, round this way there are tons of them, its only the fairly new estates that don't have them, and even half of those have Georgians.

 

[Diwrnach]

That is actually something I wanted to ask, went to look at a listed building the other day, they only wanted certain windows that weren't leaded done as the lady had tried to clean the leaded ones on the inside and ended up knocking some out and cost them a few hundred to fix.

Best to completely ignore these? I did consider offering to just rinse them with pure, and maybe they would come clean after awhile, but then the rain hasn't cleaned them so?

Any ideas?

 

[Tuffers]

That is actually something I wanted to ask, went to look at a listed building the other day, they only wanted certain windows that weren't leaded done as the lady had tried to clean the leaded ones on the inside and ended up knocking some out and cost them a few hundred to fix.
Best to completely ignore these? I did consider offering to just rinse them with pure, and maybe they would come clean after awhile, but then the rain hasn't cleaned them so?

Any ideas?

Proper leaded windows can leak water in using WFP as they are individual panes held in the lead and they can also be very delicate. Try using a very light brush like a Gardiners Xtreme.