vans, tanks, payload the age old topic

[harunh]

I thought you had to add the fuel weight? ?

U do , all my vans are always above half a tank of fuel , if your unsure about your weight u best of going to a local weigh bridge, or if you know any local companys with a fleet of trucks u can go to there yard and ask to use theres as 9/10 of them have there own bridge

 

[Stevieboy]

Sorry! Dosed off for a moment. ?

You and me both buddy. I was away after you mentioned Commer. ....

 

[Aqua]

U do , all my vans are always above half a tank of fuel , if your unsure about your weight u best of going to a local weigh bridge, or if you know any local companys with a fleet of trucks u can go to there yard and ask to use theres as 9/10 of them have there own bridge

Don't want to argue mate I really don't but your figures seem impossible you quoted earlier. 

1000kg limit take away the 850kg for tank and water and the 62kg you were under? 

That leaves 88kg or 13 stone for all your equipment petrol and your weight? 

That just can't be possible unless your a very slight chap. 

Like I said I'm not having a go just saying it don't addup maybe your weight limit is higher than 1000kg?

 

[Aqua]

Also on another note so people are aware vauxhall don't include drivers weight and fuel on the payload limit. 

Just to confuse everyone

 

[Mwwindowcleaning]

Well that escalated quickly ???

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

Where does one find out the exact limit of there van? I'm sure mine is 650 (Renault kangoo) but would like to check. @harunh, thats a good shout regarding going to a weight bridge, I'll need to give it a go.

 

[spruce]

Where does one find out the exact limit of there van? I'm sure mine is 650 (Renault kangoo) but would like to check. @harunh, thats a good shout regarding going to a weight bridge, I'll need to give it a go.

If you register on Grippa Tanks website they have a payload checker there.

Most scrap metal dealers will have a weighbridge as well.Its also important to have each axle weighed. You could be within the payload limit but be overloaded on an axle.

There will be a max axle weight on a plate either in the engine compartment or a door jam.

 

[Master Jedi Alejandro]

If you register on Grippa Tanks website they have a payload checker there.

Yeah that's where I got the number from and they say its from DLVA, just wondering if the handbook or somewhere on the van also said it. I tried looking but couldn't find anything. 

 

[Aqua]

Yeah that's where I got the number from and they say its from DLVA, just wondering if the handbook or somewhere on the van also said it. I tried looking but couldn't find anything. 

I found they are very hard to find at times, you can work it out if you take your kerb weight from your Gross vehicle weight. They are usually easier to find in the engine bay or doorpost

 

[bretney]

I’m looking at the Relay/Ducato/Boxer vans H2 L2 and considering a 850 tank. 
payload seems to be very good and I quite like the look of the 2014 - 2018 Years for my price range. Anyone got these ?

 

[spruce]

I’m looking at the Relay/Ducato/Boxer vans H2 L2 and considering a 850 tank. 
payload seems to be very good and I quite like the look of the 2014 - 2018 Years for my price range. Anyone got these ?

@Pjj has. He also has photos of his van internals on here as well I believe.
 

 

[Pjj]

@Pjj has. He also has photos of his van internals on here as well I believe.

@Part Timer has a Ducato.  I have renault master, Vito ,and Toyota 

 

[spruce]

I’m looking at the Relay/Ducato/Boxer vans H2 L2 and considering a 850 tank. 
payload seems to be very good and I quite like the look of the 2014 - 2018 Years for my price range. Anyone got these ?

Here are some tips if you are looking at the used market.

These vans have Ford Puma 2.2 hdi diesels fitted. It has a timing chain, rather than the conventional cambelt. They say you don't have to change the chain, chain tensioners and sprockets. The motor trade tells us that they get timing chain failures at around 130k on Transit vans which use the same engine. Replacing chain, tensioners and sprockets isn't cheap. I've been quoted £350 + Vat labour and £250 + vat for parts.

Oil pumps are also an issue, especially if the van hasn't been serviced to schedule with the correct oil. Changing the oil pump is good preventative maintenance. It also means replacing the sump. The oil pump is a rotary van type rather than the conventional gear type of old. There is a conversion kit sold in Australia to replace the vane pump with gears but they aren't cheap. Oil pump failure was a real problem with vans built between 2012 to 2014. Ford and Landrover did a recall; PSA and Fiat didn't. I changed my pump for another rotary van one at 90K. A fellow cleaner has a Relay of the same year with lower mileage and his pump failed. Look at the number of motorhome complaints on MH forums regarding failures of these pumps even on newer engines. These engines are in the same category at the 3.2l diesels are. You have a 10 minute time slot to drain the oil, replace the oil filter and refill the sump with oil and start the engine. A vehicle standing around for months (particularily motorhomes) at a time creates oil starvation issues and engine failure.

Alternator needs to be replaced at around 90K. You can get them through the trade cheaper (new) but Peugeot want £535 plus 2 hours labour to fit. Add a couple of serpentine belts will increase that by £20.

The front intercooler pipe leaving the intercooler rots. Again Peugeot want £500 notes plus VAT for that.

I've found Coastal motorhomes are a good source for cheaper parts. That intercooler pipe was £135 including VAT from them next day delivery. It arrived in Fiat packaging.

The 110hp has plenty of torque and the galvanised body is rust free on my van. However, I still believe my old Relay 2.0hdi had a better engine although the body has rotted away. My van is a 2012 SWB H1H1 333 Boxer.

 

[spruce]

@Part Timer has a Ducato.  I have renault master, Vito ,and Toyota 

Sorry. I've excused myself already this week. My brain reverse polarity last week and it still hasn't flipped back.

 

[bretney]

Here are some tips if you are looking at the used market.

These vans have Ford Puma 2.2 hdi diesels fitted. It has a timing chain, rather than the conventional cambelt. They say you don't have to change the chain, chain tensioners and sprockets. The motor trade tells us that they get timing chain failures at around 130k on Transit vans which use the same engine. Replacing chain, tensioners and sprockets isn't cheap. I've been quoted £350 + Vat labour and £250 + vat for parts.

Oil pumps are also an issue, especially if the van hasn't been serviced to schedule with the correct oil. Changing the oil pump is good preventative maintenance. It also means replacing the sump. The oil pump is a rotary van type rather than the conventional gear type of old. There is a conversion kit sold in Australia to replace the vane pump with gears but they aren't cheap. Oil pump failure was a real problem with vans built between 2012 to 2014. Ford and Landrover did a recall; PSA and Fiat didn't. I changed my pump for another rotary van one at 90K. A fellow cleaner has a Relay of the same year with lower mileage and his pump failed. Look at the number of motorhome complaints on MH forums regarding failures of these pumps even on newer engines. These engines are in the same category at the 3.2l diesels are. You have a 10 minute time slot to drain the oil, replace the oil filter and refill the sump with oil and start the engine. A vehicle standing around for months at a time creates oil starvation issues.

Alternator needs to be replaced at around 90K. You can get them through the trade but Peugeot want £535 plus 2 hours labour to fit. Add a couple of serpentine belts will increase that by £20.

The front intercooler pipe leaving the intercooler rots. Again Peugeot want £500 notes plus VAT for that.

I've found Coastal motorhomes are a good source for cheaper parts, That intercooler pipe was £135 including VAT from them next day delivery. It arrived in Fiat packaging.

The 110hp has plenty of torque and the galvanised body is rust free on my van. However, I still believe my old Relay 2.0hdi had a better engine although the body has rotted away. My van is a 2012 SWB H1H1 333 Boxer.

That’s a very comprehensive answer thank you. We could also say that there are many issues with lots of vans but with an average budget of 10k I don’t think I’m going to find a perfect van. I would like to carry 850L so what’s the recommendations for this size tank  ? I’m sure there will be a lot of interest in the answers 

 

[Pjj]

That’s a very comprehensive answer thank you. We could also say that there are many issues with lots of vans but with an average budget of 10k I don’t think I’m going to find a perfect van. I would like to carry 850L so what’s the recommendations for this size tank  ? I’m sure there will be a lot of interest in the answers 

I would say you need a  van with a payload of 1100 kg minimum preferably 1200-1400 as with all the bits and pieces it soon adds up  

 

[spruce]

That’s a very comprehensive answer thank you. We could also say that there are many issues with lots of vans but with an average budget of 10k I don’t think I’m going to find a perfect van. I would like to carry 850L so what’s the recommendations for this size tank  ? I’m sure there will be a lot of interest in the answers 

On a mwb i believe you need the 350 to give you more options. If you've got your tank width ways then it would be somewhere in front of the rear axle if it's a Wydale tank. Depending on the length of the tank and it's footprint it might have to be Infront of the rear wheel arches.

You need to find the kerb and gross weight of each axle. There is a weight distribution formula on this forum which will better aid you. Personally I would get the tank fitted by a specialist.

My van will take 900kgs over the rear axle. I can't remember the weight on the front axle. (475kgs?) but with two blokes and a full tank of diesel there isn't much left. I couldn't fit a 650l tank behind my bulkhead as front front axle will be overloaded.

A fellow Windie near us has the lower payload version of my van. He fitted his tank across the bulkhead himself. He has had to replace power steering pump already. I've told him why.  He says he isn't going to reposition his tank now as it's to much trouble.

He has been made aware of his issue. It's not my problem now. 

 

[Iron Giant]

Sorry. I've excused myself already this week. My brain reverse polarity last week and it still hasn't flipped back.

Maybe knock one of these up in your garage and give it a go to reverse the polarity ?

 

[bretney]

I have a Grippamax 850L that would be slightly back from the rear axle allowing me to fit hose reels between the back of the tank and rear doors. Looking at the previous vans I mentioned Boxer/Relay/Ducato and I have also noticed the Movano/Masters/NX400 as these have a max loading weight of 1610 kg. Ford transits can’t compare to these I don’t think. 

 

[harunh]

Don't want to argue mate I really don't but your figures seem impossible you quoted earlier. 

1000kg limit take away the 850kg for tank and water and the 62kg you were under? 

That leaves 88kg or 13 stone for all your equipment petrol and your weight? 

That just can't be possible unless your a very slight chap. 

Like I said I'm not having a go just saying it don't addup maybe your weight limit is higher than 1000kg?

Yeah i only weigh 9 stone lol ? we rarely carry ladders, we dont have much equipment on board, just a hose reel and a pole lol

 

[spruce]

Yeah i only weigh 9 stone lol ? we rarely carry ladders, we dont have much equipment on board, just a hose reel and a pole lol

What Transits are you running H? If its the T280's then they have a payload of 1100kgs to 1188kgs depending on their bodies.

What happened to the Transit Customs you showed on your website or was it Facebook?