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Hi guys I wonder if anyone on the forum is from spotless water or knows much about then? I've been watching intrigued to see if the idea and business model works. I personally would only use them in an emergency because of the cost.

 

It seems they had a huge amount of locations promised as "coming soon" across the country but these have been virtually the same since I first lookelooked probably a year or more ago. Non of the promised locations have ever opened in my area. So was just wondering had anyone heard anything I know they have a number open but I'm guessing that the uptake is not what they hoped so that's why they aren't opening more

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C Rose Cleaning Services
17 minutes ago, chris clean said:

Hi guys I wonder if anyone on the forum is from spotless water or knows much about then? I've been watching intrigued to see if the idea and business model works. I personally would only use them in an emergency because of the cost.

 

It seems they had a huge amount of locations promised as "coming soon" across the country but these have been virtually the same since I first lookelooked probably a year or more ago. Non of the promised locations have ever opened in my area. So was just wondering had anyone heard anything I know they have a number open but I'm guessing that the uptake is not what they hoped so that's why they aren't opening more

 

It seems they are growing (albeit very slowly) but only on demand (ie enough registrations on their site within an area to install a new box). 

 

Long story short, if only a couple of people have registered their interest in an area, Spotless don't see demand to invest in a unit if there's going to be little return for them. 

 

Closest one to me is 45min away and like you, I'd only use it for an emergency as I have an RO+DI system in my van, and I've had a keychain since they launched I can't use. 

 

 

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chris clean

Interesting cheers mate. I have seen some Facebook adds put out by spotless and lots of comments saying they have been told various locations will be open by certain times and the time given has come and gone. I was told my area is a key location and will be open by Christmas! I doubt it will 

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

They cant provide dates for Chesterfield, Nottingham, Mansfield or Sheffield. 

 

The 'coming soon' is not a bit of BS it is an outright LIE!  

 

They finally admitted that they were coming as soon as enough people in an are register for an account.  

 

They don't get it... 'if you build it they will come'

 

They think 'when they come we will build it'  

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chris clean

It's a strange business model isn't it! Would like to fast forward a few years and see if idea falls flat on its face or they get it right in the end! I hope they do get it right as Im always one for hoping new ventures are successful and in an emergency or if working out of area it would be a handy back up to have but I'm starting to wonder about them

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AJ Fry

I got promised my local one was due for opening mid October, then before Christmas, now coming early in the new year. Ok mate I’ll now believe it when I see it.

I do get emails with 1 or 2 opening a month. Apparently they’ve had trouble with the company that’s making them so there’s been a delay.

When I said the nearest one is currently 30 mins away through Southampton city centre he replied saying don’t worry mate you can go anytime as they’re 24 hours!

Yeah cheers pal I’ll fill up at midnight to dodge the traffic problem solved.


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chris70

my local one was first going to be june then aug then defo by xmas still nothing annoying 

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RyeCleanLiam

Someone on this forum ages ago said there is a method to their madness. I think eventually the idea is for them to have their own national window Cleaning company with 100s of filling stations around the country for them to tap

into. But they only way they could really get the network up and running was for other people to pay for it, hence they will only build a station once there is a demand of people who will use it to pay for it. That’s the gist of it anyway.

The guy who set up spotless already owns spotless valeting, so after spotless water it will be spotless window cleaning. And all of you are paying for their infrastructure lol 

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RWCleaning

I wonder how much is it to set up per station? And running costs?

They must have a top of the range 40/40 R.O, a 10,000L+ storage tank just constantly filling if it’s being used daily, booster pump when needed, a couple of 25L D.I vessels (or even bigger) all the plumbing & wiring with the touch key pad. Then ground rent for where, and regularly replacing Filters & resin cause it’s always at 000pp

 

 

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trevor peacock

At 3.6p a litre it's not cheap!!

There's one near me in Littlehampton, emergency only!!

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solarpanelcleaningltd

I’ve used

 

Basingstoke

Swindon

Enfield

kingston ish twickenham?

 

Very useful!

 

Cant see how they make any money though.

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chris clean
19 hours ago, RyeCleanLiam said:

Someone on this forum ages ago said there is a method to their madness. I think eventually the idea is for them to have their own national window Cleaning company with 100s of filling stations around the country for them to tap

into. But they only way they could really get the network up and running was for other people to pay for it, hence they will only build a station once there is a demand of people who will use it to pay for it. That’s the gist of it anyway.

The guy who set up spotless already owns spotless valeting, so after spotless water it will be spotless window cleaning. And all of you are paying for their infrastructure lol 

If you wanted a nationwide network of window cleaners who need access to pure water why not lease out a fleet of vans fitted with systems for a fraction of the cost?! According to this plan they will still need fleet of vans with tanks and delivery systems so why go to all the trouble and astronomical expenses of spending years getting these units set up! Seems crazy. We will see but if the roll out of window cleaners is anything like as slow as the roll out of filling stations I will look out for there vans in about 50 years lol

2 hours ago, solarpanelcleaningltd said:

I’ve used

 

Basingstoke

Swindon

Enfield

kingston ish twickenham?

 

Very useful!

 

Cant see how they make any money though.

Yeah the price makes it an emergency only place to go! Or I can see it being handy if I'm working out of area and needed more than one tanks worth of water

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solarpanelcleaningltd

If you need water nationally, you get a standpipe. Easy.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

I dont get the comments on price. 3p per litre with no resin or filter costs or time to produce pure.  £30 for 1000L 

 

IMO bargain.  If you cant make SUBSTANTIAL profit on those margins there's something wrong. 

 

If they had one round here I'd fill the vans daily quite happily for that price.  

 

Think of it from a practical view and not a penny pinching point of view. It makes sense. 

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Part Timer
34 minutes ago, Green Pro Clean Ltd said:

I dont get the comments on price. 3p per litre with no resin or filter costs or time to produce pure.  £30 for 1000L 

 

IMO bargain.  If you cant make SUBSTANTIAL profit on those margins there's something wrong. 

 

If they had one round here I'd fill the vans daily quite happily for that price.  

 

Think of it from a practical view and not a penny pinching point of view. It makes sense. 

When, or should I say if, they open a site in Cambridge I for one will certainly be using it. I have a van system so can make my own but as you say a 650l tank full of guaranteed pure for less than £25 is a no brainer. 

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Pjj
7 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

When, or should I say if, they open a site in Cambridge I for one will certainly be using it. I have a van system so can make my own but as you say a 650l tank full of guaranteed pure for less than £25 is a no brainer. 

 

 

£25 for 650 ltr seams very expensive to me what does it cost you to produce it yourself ? we use a minimum of 7000 ltr of pure per week working on that price I would be spending £210 per week so over 48 weeks that would cost around £10080.00  I can produce my own for a fraction of that price , athough I have never worked out the total cost , ro membranes last about 7 years or so , a couple of 5 micron filters per year , 2 carbon sediment filters , a bag of resin every 10 months 

rough costing 

ro membrains x2 £800 total 

carbon sediment filters £200

5 micron filters £200

resin        £85 

water bill £1000 per quarter So if I changed all filters every year it would only cost me £1285 ,membranes only need changing every 7 years so my running costs per year are roughly £485 + £4000 in water , a huge saving making it yourself surely ???? 

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chris clean

@Green Pro Clean Ltd and @Part Timer I agree totally that you are doing something wrong if you can't make a very tidy profit off even the spotless prices! I peraonally dobt make my own water as I have 2 stockists nice and local to me that sell it and I just love not having to worry about any of that side just pull up full up and crack on. For me though the spotless prices would be expensive compared to what I pay now but on occasions like working a weekend or needing to top up out of office hours I would use them if we ever get one round here.

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Part Timer
21 minutes ago, Pjj said:

 

 

£25 for 650 ltr seams very expensive to me what does it cost you to produce it yourself ? we use a minimum of 7000 ltr of pure per week working on that price I would be spending £210 per week so over 48 weeks that would cost around £10080.00  I can produce my own for a fraction of that price , athough I have never worked out the total cost , ro membranes last about 7 years or so , a couple of 5 micron filters per year , 2 carbon sediment filters , a bag of resin every 10 months 

rough costing 

ro membrains x2 £800 total 

carbon sediment filters £200

5 micron filters £200

resin        £85 

water bill £1000 per quarter So if I changed all filters every year it would only cost me £1285 ,membranes only need changing every 7 years so my running costs per year are roughly £485 + £4000 in water , a huge saving making it yourself surely ???? 

This is purely for when I'm working away in Cambridge. Whilst there are sites I clean where I can tap into their water supply, for free, it would be far better time management, and therefore more cost efficient to just pay for water. 

Your TDS is probably much lower than the 400+ in Cambridge as well. 

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scottish cleaning service

I thought one of the guys from Cambridge would sort you out with pure? Maybe a few beers involved!

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Pjj
10 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

This is purely for when I'm working away in Cambridge. Whilst there are sites I clean where I can tap into their water supply, for free, it would be far better time management, and therefore more cost efficient to just pay for water. 

Your TDS is probably much lower than the 400+ in Cambridge as well. 

 

 

Ah ok yes I can see what you are saying for an occasional fill it’s ok but expensive to use all the time , my tds is around 90 😂😂😂

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Part Timer
7 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

I thought one of the guys from Cambridge would sort you out with pure? Maybe a few beers involved!

I go through a minimum of 700l a day so they'd have to have a large storage tank. 

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
9 hours ago, Pjj said:

 

 

Ah ok yes I can see what you are saying for an occasional fill it’s ok but expensive to use all the time , my tds is around 90 😂😂😂

 

Our filters last years as well even though our TDS is double yours. 

 

You've done a fine job of laying out your cost of water but the point has not a lot to do with cost of home production.  It has to do with ROI IMO. 

 

£30 Per 1000 L we can COMFORTABLY do £350 on 500L so that's £670 after paying for water.  Your numbers can't be to dissimilar. 

 

In my book that's a hell of a win.  These 'stations' cant be that cheap to install or to maintain to begin with yet people seem to begrudge 3p per litre for total convenience

 

I wonder how many 3p's it would take to install a plant like that to produce your own?  Quite a bit more than my system or yours @Pjj I should imagine. Also most of them seem to be in real hard water areas to begin with.  

 

Reminds me of the old trad conversations 

'I make £££££££ every day in a couple of hours........ where can I get CHEAP squeegee rubber.........'

 

On a side note @Pjj as you're using 7000L per week then you could spend it on water as would make a great tax right off.... unless you only charge £1.25 per job of course. 😉

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Cghwindowcleaning

The price various from site to site the two nearest me are 4 & 5p + vat

 

you talk about convenance but most people fill up before or after work.pull up between 7-9am and there can be up to 7-8 vans in front of you.if they all fill 500 litres you can be waiting well over 1/2 hour..

units are on industrial parks so by the time you’ve gone and filled up and got to your first job you’ve wasted an hour,

 

you will be relying on and expect 000 water.On more than one occasion the one near me has been over 010.

 

if you have multiple vans I can’t see why you would want to spend £150-£200 a week + vat on water.You could rent a unit for that.

 

I did a resin change yesterday on mine it took around 5mins it was easy.

 

I’ve used spotless and know one of the directors but it is way more cheaper and easier and faster to make your own which equals more profit.

 

if you have work all over the country or live in a flat then they may be handy for the odd fill up.But I can’t see why you would use and depend on them long term.

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scottish cleaning service

I actually thought 3p plus vat was quite cheap and just a teaser rate. Once established and folk get hooked then they slowly bump up the price. Like a see-saw, they become to greedy and price themselves out of the market and begin to shut down.

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J and S

Just done a rough costing and paying for it would just about double the cost of making it myself.......on the other hand it is convenient and no doubt quick to fill up but it's not an option round here anyway.

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